Calgary Jeep Association
4x4 Related Groups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Fleetline on August 14, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
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I have a flat black 1990 jeep xj with 6.5 lift, Winch, Snorkel and 36x12.50x15 Super Swampers. It has a national4wd decal on back window and and says on back hatch "nice import can i drive over it" it had 4 sets of decals that said jeepstuffand4wdparts with a phone # and website addy on it and was told he was one that built it, website is no longer and noone answers phone #...
my problem is it needs parts and things have been swapped (Example: tie rod linkage for starters) It needs tie rods and can't find anyone smart enough to figure out what part i need ...this jeep has been around since 2004 i'm thinking and someone has to know who the owner was that built it!! Or if anyone knows of anybody with half a brain that can figure this out for me i have taken pics of the linkage or i'll even just pull it out "again" if someone swears they can figure it out for me.
I wheel with it every few weeks and not liking that it is out of commission right now, even though it still drives i'm not risking it thank you for any help :-) i love this jeep and it has been neglected till i bought it not running, but I'm hoping someone in here knows it ....was told it is known at mclean creek with decals on it but i took em off as they were half missing anyways
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Paragraphs and periods are our friends. Embrace them my friend.
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Is it red underneath the flat black paint? Does it have a front dana 44 and a ford 9 inch rear diff?
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no it has dana 30 front, dana 35 in rear but has to be upgraded axles for the size of tire ....and as for paragraphs and periods...i wrote this with text to talk on my phone in traffic and i don't care about that now and wasn't asking for input non related issue please. just asking a question and that it. It is the jeep in my profile pic, sorry binare not being a dick just mad it broken down and noone seems to be able to help me and not really in mood for ppl to knock me on grammer or stuff just hoping to luck out :-) thanks to anyone who can :-)
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And no it is gloss black underneath but white doors were put on and painted black
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Hey man, just saying most won't bother reading that. As for the Jeep no idea, sorry.
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Also not sure of the owner.
The easiest way to post a picture is to go to www.photobucket.com and set up a free account. Then link the pictures through there and we would be happy to try and help you out.
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www.brokenaxle.ca
they love cherokees. theres like, 7 at the shop right now.
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Have you tried taking it to a 4x4 specific shop like Modern, National, Broken Axle or Emortal?
Personally, I would have asked the seller what mods he did to it before buying.
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no it has dana 30 front, dana 35 in rear but has to be upgraded axles for the size of tire ....and as for paragraphs and periods...i wrote this with text to talk on my phone in traffic and i don't care about that now and wasn't asking for input non related issue please. just asking a question and that it. It is the jeep in my profile pic, sorry binare not being a dick just mad it broken down and noone seems to be able to help me and not really in mood for ppl to knock me on grammer or stuff just hoping to luck out :-) thanks to anyone who can :-)
What a poorly written go frack yourself.
Who frickin' cares how fumed off you are, or where you are writting your message from. You are here asking for the help of others. How could you possibly expect anyone here to put any effort into helping you when you cant even put any effort into making your post legible.
Im supprised no one has simply told you to frack right off. I know I would.
Actually, guess I just did.
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this forum really needs a "LIKE" button for when billy posts hahaha
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1st of all i have gone to national and modern motors.
2nd: i bought it off of someone who bought it off the builder or i would have asked him
3rd: I'm sorry my grammer is crap and if ya choose not to help me because of it then so be it so i'm sorry
4th: i will try to put a pic up ...i did link a picture, dunno if it worked though
never been judged for my grammer or been told to frack off because of it so if it's a problem im sorry i'll leave the site and find another place to help me if ya want ...i just asked for help and because it's hard to read, i get slack? Maybe my schooling isn't up to par but that doesn't change who i am, or the kind of person i am, or the respect i get, I treat ppl with respect no matter there origin or smarts i wasn't "expecting" help it was a shot in the dark i took and i asked politely. Sure i'm not a paying member but i planned on it when i got my rig up to par. Anyways I Went to modern and they said if i brought it to them they could help me, National just wants to sell me a new set up. I've never heard of broken axle, i will try them too :-) ty for the help and i'm sorry if this is hard to read...................
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Went to modern and they said if i brought it to them they could help me
Seems like taking it to Modern would work
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this is the jeep if can help that be sweet and if noone knows then guess that just the way the cookie crumbles lol
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Seems like taking it to Modern would work
yup thats what i'm doing ...still ne nice to find out who built it so can get the history of it.
If i can't it's no worry, I'll figure it out and fix it right the first time
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Ask for a little help and all you get is flack and crap. I read the request and sorry I.m not that much of an expert to help you. Some of you out there may remember : If you don,t have anything nice to say , then don,t.: OOOOOOpppppps how,s my spelling ? hope I don,t upset any of you who live in a perfect world
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Bill....why are you right so bloody often?
To the OP and anyone else who want to whine about the expectation that some folks have about using the basic convention of the english language to make your posts legible - just understand that most of the people that CAN help you, WON'T. Not because they're dicks, but because trying to read what you type gives them a splitting headache.
Use capitals, punctuate, and put things into paragraphs, and nobody will care about your spelling or grammar. You'll probably get an honest effort from the folks here to help out. Or pay the shop rate at a string of shops around town until you luck out and find someone that is willing to chisel through the JB weld holding your rig together. It's really up to you - because I certainly don't give even 1/10 of 1% of a frack.
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OK so Because it's a big issue, i fixed up the original post but i just don't have time for it to be perfect right now...if it isn't good enough now then i'll just forget about it and i'll dig deeper in person seeing how i speak fine lol Although i really do appreciate the ppl who have helped ty
PS jb weld? well ya may think it's a p.o.s but it's my p.o.s and was very well made. It takes me everywhere i want to go it doesn't squeak or rattle and drives beautiful (other then tie rod now lol ) and runs mint.
I work on my own vehicles ..i was mechanic and nobody works on my rig, If i can't fix it then i replace it.
Use capitals, punctuate, and put things into paragraphs, and nobody will care about your spelling or grammar. You'll probably get an honest effort from the folks here to help out. Or pay the shop rate at a string of shops around town until you luck out and find someone that is willing to chisel through the JB weld holding your rig together. It's really up to you - because I certainly don't give even 1/10 of 1% of a frack.
I think you are misunderstanding what i'm asking. I don't need someone to work on it or fix it for me, I can handle it thanks. Now imagine you have something and you don't know where it came from, or where to get parts for it cause you don't know where its made or who built it.................Thats where i am and thats it.
If i have to replace it then so be it but there is nothing wrong with it , I just need a part lol Oh and nuts and bolts and proper welds hold my rig together same as yours...no need to insult my truck cause your trying to make an example of me lol Plus Jb Weld is awesome *calling peace*
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Of course people are misunderstanding what you are saying... Your first post (before the edit) makes you come across as Jethro from Beverly hillbillies if he had Down syndrome. Maybe rain man (Now that's a lol). On a serious note though, Bill is like Calgary's own jeep guru. Make nice, apologize and you'll notice everybody will do what they can to help. Just my $0.02.
Sent from my iProne
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apologize for what? For not putting my punctuation and what not? I have insulted noone. Read my posts i have said sorry in damn near everyone, hell i even fixed it best i could what more you want? for all the flack i have gotten i think I have remained pretty cool
so again i'm sorry but that last time i'm apologizing as now i feel i'm being insulted and treated like a kid "just saying" I graduated in 96 i forget stuff after never using it so i'm rusty give me a break :-)
...this is my setup for my tie rods. One solid bar from passenger tierod to the clamp on other side. Can't remove tie rod from bar, So Obviously i'm gonna need from one side to other as i never replace just one.
anyone know who might make it?? ...if you want to help i thank you and if not ty anyways !! Oh and that stain on road is neighbors cars doing lol :-)
As you can see the boot is gone off passenger side and is dry
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Umm that looks like a rusty or rugged ridge steeriing conversion. Could be some one elses. Do not know.
If it is rugged ridge, they use there own tie rod ends. No one makes tie rod ends to fit and they are chinese made crap. Lets make Calgary roads safe and get rid of those chinese made junk parts. If rustys then on there website they did list all there parts some where with cross reference part numbers for replacement. Might luck out and access parts for that.
What is with the steering stablilizer and bent ? Track bar?
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Andy (morerpmfred) has more experience with XJ's than most, so he's probably got some sound advice for you.
I don't know much about XJ's, but I do know that steering is somewhere where you definitely get what you pay for. I have never regretted a single penny of the money that I've spent on Currie products, so here's my suggestion:
http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/product.aspx?id=1219 (http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/product.aspx?id=1219)
Fleetline, if my original response cheesed you off - that was not my intention. I'll just ask you to put yourself in our place. There's a bunch of us that know each other, wheel together about 10% as much as we'd like to, and drink beer at meetings. The money we pay every year keeps the club and this site running. We tend to see a fair number of folks that show up here, make zero effort to introduce themselves, don't want to do any actual reading or research for themselves, and seem to expect us to hand them the answers that they want to hear on a silver platter. If the silver platter is the wrong shape, they throw a temper tantrum and call us all names. It doesn't upset us too much as long as the beer at the meetings is still cold.
You are not one of those people - you obviously know more than them and you listen WAY more than they do. The extra pics and your extra effort to make the posts easier to read mean that you're willing to work at getting the right answers, so I think you'll find that the club members are going to do what they can to help out now.
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: If you don,t have anything nice to say , then don,t.: OOOOOOpppppps how,s my spelling ?
This isnt your moms house. Here, its "if you dont have anything usefull to add, then shut your frickin' pie hole"
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apologize for what? For not putting my punctuation and what not? I have insulted noone. Read my posts i have said sorry in damn near everyone, hell i even fixed it best i could what more you want? for all the flack i have gotten i think I have remained pretty cool
so again i'm sorry but that last time i'm apologizing as now i feel i'm being insulted and treated like a kid "just saying" I graduated in 96 i forget stuff after never using it so i'm rusty give me a break :-)
...this is my setup for my tie rods. One solid bar from passenger tierod to the clamp on other side. Can't remove tie rod from bar, So Obviously i'm gonna need from one side to other as i never replace just one.
anyone know who might make it?? ...if you want to help i thank you and if not ty anyways !! Oh and that stain on road is neighbors cars doing lol :-)
As you can see the boot is gone off passenger side and is dry
Stop being so defensive and just get over it. Its pretty simple. Show some respect for us and we will help you. Ok? Thats done. Now you know, so lets fix your rig.
That setup looks like a factory YJ inverted T steering system. Are the tie rods shot? You may be better off with a proper "Y" system from another XJ/TJ/ZJ etc etc. So before you spend money on that steering, we need to answer a few more questions.
Can you get lower and snap a shot that show the entire track bar and the draglink together.
Do you get bumpsteer with setup? As in, does the wheel jar slightly when when you hit bumps?
I am around all day today, and tomorrow if you want to stop out and have me go over you rig with you. Bring your pen and a large regular from tims and we can get you pointed in the right direction.
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That is a generous offer from Bnine and very much the reception you find from the vast majority of the members on here. It's like anything unfamiliar if you show up and listen first and respect the house of those you are joining it makes for a good experience.
All the best sorting your rig out.
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I am around all day today, and tomorrow if you want to stop out and have me go over you rig with you. Bring your pen and a large regular from tims and we can get you pointed in the right direction.
This offer is not just generous, but very valuable. Bill's got a wealth of knowledge and will give you rock-solid advice on your rig.
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That setup looks like a factory YJ inverted T steering system. Are the tie rods shot? You may be better off with a proper "Y" system from another XJ/TJ/ZJ etc etc. So before you spend money on that steering, we need to answer a few more questions.
Can you get lower and snap a shot that show the entire track bar and the draglink together.
Do you get bumpsteer with setup? As in, does the wheel jar slightly when when you hit bumps?
I am around all day today, and tomorrow if you want to stop out and have me go over you rig with you. Bring your pen and a large regular from tims and we can get you pointed in the right direction.
water under the bridge lol :-) i will take that pic for you and no i don't get any bump steer it drove great. My upper and lower control arm bushings need replacing so it do get a little noise sometimes.
my tie rod is still working ..just missing the boot and can feel the beginning of death wobble,, but it's not bad right now. I can probably meet tomorrow after work ?...can pm me addy to meet ...i'm in the NE
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The bushings will have a lot more influence on the death wobble. One sloppy tie rod really wint hurt much. If you change out that tie rod and the front end does graduate to full on death wobble there is a good chance it will ruin the new tie rod you install.
My cell is in my sig. Im out in langdon. So if you are heading out just text me for directions.
In the meantime i will check my shelves for some factory arms with decent bushings. I probably have a few laying around you can have.
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hey sorry i had to work till late ...i'll get those pics up asap ...i work 12's 6 days a week but i will do my best tomorrow
i haven't been driving jeep as i don't want to cause more damage to it lol thanks buddy
Oh and it's not really a death wobble ...i can literally feel that tire with bad tie rod wobble abit in rain or when hit a bump, Bushings been going in control arms upper and lower for abit but not that bad and wasn't doing it before and they don't look anyworse
My tierods are my #1 issue as i need it for work and i'm screwed without it, i just don't want to put a weak system in it ...money isn't really the issue , i take my niece and nephew out in it and needs to be safe not cheap. Nice to drive it home after going wheeling lol
oh and sometimes it stalls ...done it to me twice so far ...almost like the cap is wet, but it's not
Let it sit for few min and fires right up, start it before and sputters like wet wires or cap but it not lol any suggestions?
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The bushings will have a lot more influence on the death wobble. One sloppy tie rod really wint hurt much. If you change out that tie rod and the front end does graduate to full on death wobble there is a good chance it will ruin the new tie rod you install.
i never do anything half assed lol, I have zero problem dumping coin into it, just can't afford the best right now but don't want cheap either. Already replaced tranny seals and bought all the rest of the seals buying all the bushings and anything else it needs ...and she is pushing 500,000 kms so looking into motor options in the near future too...been looking at stroker build but I'll worry bout that when i get a garage to work on my rig lol
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I think you are misunderstanding what i'm asking. I don't need someone to work on it or fix it for me, I can handle it thanks. Now imagine you have something and you don't know where it came from, or where to get parts for it cause you don't know where its made or who built it.................Thats where i am and thats it.
just replace it, then you don't have to worry about it. i hate used crap, thats why i sell it and go new ;) (and complain the whole time about how much jeeps cost lol)
i'd just buy a new steering setup. Currie is pretty beefy and awesome. its pricey at 500$ give or take, but after you find out a good stock replacement (for a stock ZJ/XJ) costs 400$ the exta 100 is worth it..... i was in that situation when i bent my stock ZJ stuff..... the beffier Currie was well worth it.
and if you have the 'beginning' of death wobble, the real things not far behind. might be a good time to upgrade the front end to some actual 6.5" coils and ditch the 3" pucks and what look like F150 coils, and perhaps get longer sway bar links instead of 4" drop brackets on there ???
not sure what your track bar situation is but check it out for play; if its just stock/redrilled bracket might be a good idea to replace that with aftermarket too.
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apologize for what? For not putting my punctuation and what not? I have insulted noone. Read my posts i have said sorry in damn near everyone, hell i even fixed it best i could what more you want? for all the flack i have gotten i think I have remained pretty cool
so again i'm sorry but that last time i'm apologizing as now i feel i'm being insulted and treated like a kid "just saying" I graduated in 96 i forget stuff after never using it so i'm rusty give me a break :-)
...this is my setup for my tie rods. One solid bar from passenger tierod to the clamp on other side. Can't remove tie rod from bar, So Obviously i'm gonna need from one side to other as i never replace just one.
anyone know who might make it?? ...if you want to help i thank you and if not ty anyways !! Oh and that stain on road is neighbors cars doing lol :-)
As you can see the boot is gone off passenger side and is dry
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t602/Will_C_Elliott/1084076_10151866632205407_1296648283_o_zps7c3eb533.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/Will_C_Elliott/media/1084076_10151866632205407_1296648283_o_zps7c3eb533.jpg.html)
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t602/Will_C_Elliott/1092015_10151867219735407_1541549964_o_zpscd767e2b.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/Will_C_Elliott/media/1092015_10151867219735407_1541549964_o_zpscd767e2b.jpg.html)
Oh right on its been a while since Ive seen modified YJ steering . The upper adjusting sleeve gets cut and lengthened . Result very sloppy steering .
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hey everyone sorry i haven't been on to update i been busy working 12hr days 6 days a week, just an update i just bought new upgraded steering system complete so the tierod issue is fixed. Bought new leafs from rustys and 4 new upper and lower adjustable control arms and drop pitmen arm as mine wasn't good enough for me want to order new coils but i have a question!!
i believe i have f150 springs with 3 inch spacers how much of a lift would that give me? so i know to know what size springs to get, I heard springs give me 4.5-5 inch lift? ...i'm thinking now that it's a 8+ inch lift as i have 36's with no body trimming done. I would still love to join club soon as i can whats the first step can someone steer me in right direction ...oh and by the way thanks for the help now just gotta find good set of tires for it in 35's i thinkin lol