Abandoned XJ in Mclean

[01sahara]

I call dibs on the TJ!!! where is it? 

You can't keep them!  Its not like salvage on the high seas.  Next we will have a bunch of wheelers calling dibs on all the abandon vehicles.

It is great that lots of the community is taking ownership of the trail system and showing they care by cleaning it up but there are rules we have been asked to follow. Make your own choice. I will follow the rules.
Remember they are likely a stolen vehicle be cautious.

[LEMON-AID JAY]

I have played this game over and over with SRD and the RCMP. They both will say its the others problem and nothing happens. I will bring it out to the road so they have to do something

[Spinalguy]

I have played this game over and over with SRD and the RCMP. They both will say its the others problem and nothing happens. I will bring it out to the road so they have to do something

And that is the truth.
Blair, you can follow  the rules and all the vehicles will still be there 5 years from now. We have been there, done that.
Sometimes, you have to do what is best for US and not what a bunch of political non wheelers ask of you.
The choice is yours...
Rules...nothing gets done
Bypass...done deal.

[01sahara]

I have played this game over and over with SRD and the RCMP. They both will say its the others problem and nothing happens. I will bring it out to the road so they have to do something

I am not totally disagreeing with what you have said  Jay and Tom and I am not saying the system is working well . Al (Fiend) put it really well earlier.  Yes it takes way to long to get the permission. I just don't want the general public on the forum to think that towing any abandon vehicles they find is what is an accepted practice and is approved by the government.  They need to consider their actions with an informed opinion and understand what the government officials have been asking everyone do.

Lots of pepole read things here and follow the suggestions of the other wheelers on the site.  If we encouraged anyone to tow any abandon vehicle they find what hapens when they tow someones broken down vehicle that may have been waiting for them to get back in with parts. Maybe its been there a week or more and looks like total crap. Others may have vandalized it. If you put a strap on it and  do more damage to it dragging it out who is responsible?  Maybe it was stolen but is not a write off and you do more damage. You both have some real expertise and experience with these things to base your judgement on but what about the rest of the wheelers reading this?   Will they all see the difference? Be careful what you are encouraging the general public to do and the consequences they could face. I just want them to think about the possible out comes before they follow your lead.

[Mudhawg]

Jay, should find a way to take em to that other staging area were they actually get dealt with like that Blazer that thing wasnt there very long before it got removed.. thats what happens when they sit where ALOT of people can see them and easy access to it...

[EVOLUTION]

Last year we tried to go by the rules and contacted the SRD about a vehicle by the widowmaker and they told us it was ok to bring it to the staging area and they would look after it.  We spent all day cleaning it up and bringing it out.... told SRD and nothing happened.  Eventually it got dragged back into the bush, lit on fire & it was the SAME vehicle we pulled out AGAIN at the beginning of this season.  I'm also sick of waiting on SRD and the RCMP to do their crap.  All they do is wait & wait & wait and then turn around and point fingers at us for leaving Mclean such a mess.

I've tried to work with SRD for years & I've just given up.  They don't care about us... they want us out as much as any other non-wheeler.  But when it comes time for someone to front the bill & put in the labour to clean up, they have no problem getting us to do it all.  It's always on their schedule. 

[Hi Lo Silver]

I'd be willing to put some money up for delivery to ASRD Bowness Calgary.
Tell them it was recovered on government property, so it must belong to them. That will save them the work of reovery later on as well as the VIN being right where they can work with it.

[LEMON-AID JAY]

I am not totally disagreeing with what you have said  Jay and Tom and I am not saying the system is working well . Al (Fiend) put it really well earlier.  Yes it takes way to long to get the permission. I just don't want the general public on the forum to think that towing any abandon vehicles they find is what is an accepted practice and is approved by the government.  They need to consider their actions with an informed opinion and understand what the government officials have been asking everyone do.

Lots of pepole read things here and follow the suggestions of the other wheelers on the site.  If we encouraged anyone to tow any abandon vehicle they find what hapens when they tow someones broken down vehicle that may have been waiting for them to get back in with parts. Maybe its been there a week or more and looks like total crap. Others may have vandalized it. If you put a strap on it and  do more damage to it dragging it out who is responsible?  Maybe it was stolen but is not a write off and you do more damage. You both have some real expertise and experience with these things to base your judgement on but what about the rest of the wheelers reading this?   Will they all see the difference? Be careful what you are encouraging the general public to do and the consequences they could face. I just want them to think about the possible out comes before they follow your lead.

I agree and in no way am I saying that anyone who fines a wreck in the bush should pull it out. For me it is part of what I did and still do with Lemon-aid off road recovery. I know how to handle it. I have done this many times. it's not hard to see which rigs are broken down they are the ones that are parked on the side of a traill or stuck in a hole and still have plates.  Abandon ones are the ones that are rolled down steep hills or lit on fire with plates removed and sometimes vins removed.

[barmanjay]

I call dibs on the TJ!!! where is it? 

bwahahahahahahaha!!!

I'll call 2nd,.. lol

[Waytec]

Asked about it and He did not see it himself his buddy did when he got separated and then got lost so he dose not know where it is. 

[Tinkerer]

It's called "Click on Mark on GPS" when you see it   Not everyone has one of course... just being a smart-derriere.  I'll have to ask around my contacts to see why there is so much finger-pointing.  Since an abandoned vehicle is an environmental issue, you'd think it would be dealt with quickly if there isn't a tie to criminal activity.

By the way, that doesn't require body parts being present... could have been used for a string of robberies, B&E's, a drive-by shooting blah blah blah, though I agree, most of the ones out there are just joyrides. Smarter criminal elements (is that an oxymoron?) would ditch them in a lesser used area where chances are they won't be found for a much longer time.  Oh and yes, while we have the equivalent of CSI's, since, as with everything, they are overworked, they don't get called out unless it's a high-need case, the officers do their best to collect evidence from what I've seen.

Too bad salvage laws don't apply!

[EVOLUTION]

Ok so apparently the Jeep I mentioned in the first post IS still there... someone spotted it this week.  It's near the widowmaker, but way back in the bush on its roof with a bunch of parts pilfered & piled ontop of the undercarriage.  The guy who told me couldn't remember exactly how to get there, only that there was a "blair witch tent" back there as well that gave him the creeps.  I'll try to get more info as this doesn't really help much but thought I'd let you know the ZJ you pulled out is most likely a different one.

[Waytec]

We where out at Mclean today and off the logging road on Fisher West we found an old Chev down in a gully. It looks like it has been their, for a long long time. The engine compartment was full of rocks and mud. If you want to go after it to I can give you better directions.

[Stainless]

Is this the Chevy that you're talking about?



If so, it's been there for years, and absolutely everyone (including the SRD and RCMP) know about it. It's probably going to rust into the ground before anyone recovers the thing. Call it cynical if you want, but I don't believe for a second that anyone with any authority cares about keeping OHV parks clean unless it's going to improve someone's political standing.

A friend of mine found an ID dropped by a kid in a group that was torching vehicles, and also got pictures of faces and got their license plate numbers. She notified both the SRD and the RCMP about what she'd seen and found, provided them with all the evidence and an official statement, then bothered them until they stopped answering her calls and e-mails. Guess what came out of the whole thing.

If someone wants to pull these wrecks out, just do it -- if you wait for the authorities to show any interest, you'll be in the cold, cold ground before they're ever removed.

D

[LEMON-AID JAY]

this is one of the wrecks that is on the removal list for next weekend