Question for the masses,...

[JENSSEN]

Hey Guys,

 Just chatting with Kevin H. in regards to HRC 2009 and we talked about the lack of 40" and under trucks in the 2008 competition,.. Now my question what made people not enter in HRC? Did the course look too hard, did the spy pics spook people? Just not finished the build? There are probably a lot of reasons why people didn't opt to enter but I am curious if you'd share.

Or who is planning to attend 2009?

[Joel]

Did you see the number of carnage from that weekend?  My feeling, that course was built for 40's and built to destroy your rig.   If your a spectator that stuff is fun too watch, not so much for for the competitor that has to fix his rig. 

Not even thinking of attend HRC, but I am going to The Alberta Safari Challenge, Off-Road Expo in Abbotsford, Red Deer and SK.   

[JENSSEN]

Did you see the number of carnage from that weekend?  My feeling, that course was built for 40's and built to destroy your rig.   If your a spectator that stuff is fun too watch, not so much for for the competitor that has to fix his rig. 

Not even thinking of attend HRC, but I am going to The Alberta Safari Challenge, Off-Road Expo in Abbotsford, Red Deer and SK.   

 There were many trucks that escaped with out any damage,.. If I had taken it a bit easier I would of been there too,.. I lost my spider gears and a driveshaft,.. and some glass but thats just how I drive,... someone who was a bit more mild with the skinny pedal can go through aok

So how would you change it?

[Spinalguy]

If i compete, its to win.
Damage is a 'given'. i am mechanically inept so shelling out a couple grand to fix my rig after one weekend has zero appeal for me.
If i could fix my junk and get parts at wholesale prices, than i would be there to win.
 

Of course, no rig anymore so... :'(

[Immortal]

Buy my TJ Tom!!

[Joel]

If i compete, its to win.

^^And that's the purpose of competing,  you go in there thinking that you have a shot at winning. 

HRC has 2 classes below 40" tires and unlimited.  It's a no brainer who's going to win between a guy running 33's  vs 40's, when the course is  built for guy's running 40" tires, climbing over buses, etc.   

Why bother competing, if a guy doesn't have a chance?  Unless your name is DOM (I did that obstacle with my 31" tires). 

HRC should have 3 classes:
Unlimited = Purpose built buggies running 40" - 99" tires with the latest and greatest technology.
Pro Modified = Modified factory vehicles running 37"-40" tires and heavily modified.
Pro Stock - Street driven rigs running 33"-36" tires.

Run the Pro Stock class in 80% of the course and the other 20% as bonus points.  A separate Pro Stock class will allow newbies or someone who doesn't have endless amounts $$$ a chance at competing.

my .002$ 

[JENSSEN]

 I am glad to see everyones honesty on this thread! It wasn't designed to call anyone out or to challenge people to get out there,.. I just would really like to see this event grow and would love to see it wildly successful but feedback is required to make that happen. I am not a Highriders club member or an organizer but I did want to see what the community wanted in an event. So keep posting up the thoughts and opinions! Since reading all the posts on all the forums I have had soooo many ideas running through my head to pass on to the HRC staff and event organizers

[BlackYJ]

I agree with Joel on this one.  It would be nice to see a course more designed for the smaller rigs.  A lot of the small rigs are driven to the events and they have to drive home after the event, so I think that needs to be kept in mind.

[JENSSEN]

So if there was a under 35" Class and spomthing like this:

Run what yah Brung


Minimum Requirements
•   Helmet
•   Seat belts
•   Mechanically sound
•   Tow points Front and rear
•   Valid drivers license

Maximum
•   Tires 35” and under
•   Maximum 1 traction added (stock LSD’s not included)
•   NO POWER ADDERS
•   Custom Fabricated chassis no allowed

If there was a course is designed for lightly modified stock street legal trucks, with potential for scratches, dents, light body damage (Mirrors, trim) nothing worse than a good day wheeling. A course is built for driver technique, and finesse. As in any 4 wheeling runs there is a chance of injury so Helmets and personal protective equipment would required. 

Suggestions? Something to add or remove?

[calltrex]

37" and under

[HeadHunter]

HRC should have 3 classes:
Unlimited = Purpose built buggies running 40+ tires with the latest and greatest technology.
Pro Modified = Modified factory vehicles running 37"-40" tires and heavily modified.
Pro Stock - Street driven rigs running 33"-36" tires.

that looks like like a good class setting. What about tracks?  

** hows a guy running 33's going to compete against a guy with 37's? unless the 37" is are open & the 33" is fully locked...

[01sahara]

So if there was a under 35" Class and something like this:

Run what yah Brung



Maximum
•   Maximum 1 traction added (stock LSD’s not included)


Suggestions? Something to add or remove?

I think what you are suggesting would be great and I think lots would show up to run the course. How many would fit the class except that they have two lockers? I only have one, some have two that are selectable and could disable one but a few with front lunch box lockers may be excluded by that one rule. Just something to consider.

[JENSSEN]

These are just thoughts at the moment,.. If the community has ideas I will try and put it all in a package and pitch it to Kevin,..

Now if that were the case the course would have to be built,.. so then we'd need volunteers,..

[Joel]

that looks like like a good class setting. What about tracks?  
** hows a guy running 33's going to compete against a guy with 37's? unless the 37" is are open & the 33" is fully locked...

That's why the 3" spread between the two classes make sense.
33 - 36
37 - 40

There's a huge difference in the rig's capabilities between 33's and 37's.  every inch counts. 

Regarding the course, if you build the course so that 60-70% of it is do able by 33-36 group and make the rest bonus sections, then it makes it easier to setup the course.

[BlackYJ]

So if there was a under 35" Class and spomthing like this:

Run what yah Brung


Minimum Requirements
•   Helmet
•   Seat belts
•   Mechanically sound
•   Tow points Front and rear
•   Valid drivers license

Maximum
•   Tires 35” and under
•   Maximum 1 traction added (stock LSD’s not included)
•   NO POWER ADDERS
•   Custom Fabricated chassis no allowed

If there was a course is designed for lightly modified stock street legal trucks, with potential for scratches, dents, light body damage (Mirrors, trim) nothing worse than a good day wheeling. A course is built for driver technique, and finesse. As in any 4 wheeling runs there is a chance of injury so Helmets and personal protective equipment would required. 

Suggestions? Something to add or remove?

I think something like this is definitely in the right direction with the emphasis on finesse.  I would remove the limit of lockers because there are a lot of jeeps locked front and rear ie rubicons, and if you want it to grow that is going to be a limiting factor.  My YJ has ARBs front and rear.

Also, I think it should be 35" and under because a 36" irok measures .1-.2" different than a 37" irok so they are essentially a 37 in my opinion