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P-Dubb

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2008, 07:00:56 PM »
no pics yet? haha.. but i dunno if u threw out that hook.. i hope not as i will trade you or something.. cause that things a trophy now haha

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2008, 08:09:08 PM »
no pics yet? haha.. but i dunno if u threw out that hook.. i hope not as i will trade you or something.. cause that things a trophy now haha

Jeez what did the hook rip off of? Thats sketchy.... :o
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2008, 08:51:10 PM »
sorry had to get it back on the jeep so we could go wheeling with winch and hook again for the 30th....sorry
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P-Dubb

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2008, 08:52:55 PM »
lol np its all good.. make sure it stays on this time  :P

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2008, 08:56:00 PM »
btw was there a nut on the back of it.. cause if not then that could have been what caused it.. i looked on mine and they all have a nut on the back as well..

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2008, 08:45:50 PM »
ya there was a nut there still "Just barely" but all busted up and the threads were torn right threwit bent the whole bumper and stretched the bolt hole...not a pretty site we are going to do some reinforcing things this winter and be ready for spring.
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2008, 10:35:48 PM »
For us that where not their on the trip and for a community learning session, so it doesn’t happen to others. What happened?
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P-Dubb

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2008, 02:36:18 PM »
Front tow hook came flying.. Very barely missed me and hit the rear quarter of my jeep.. Which then also smashed my rear window on the hard top.. Lesson.. stay way way way far back when doing that

P-Dubb

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2008, 02:41:36 PM »
Oh and put a good half inch to one inch gash in the quarter.. Its all messed up right now haha

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2008, 03:03:29 PM »
For us that where not their on the trip and for a community learning session, so it doesn’t happen to others. What happened?

Tow hooks mounted to sheet metal are just as dangerous as receiver hitch hooks you'd mentioned in another post.
Both will fail a lot sooner then a proper tow point.
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2008, 07:07:47 PM »
Tow hooks mounted to sheet metal are just as dangerous as receiver hitch hooks you'd mentioned in another post.
Both will fail a lot sooner then a proper tow point.
why is  a receiver hitch hook just as bad? they seem solid
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2008, 08:01:53 PM »
I find that the hitch ones are gust as strong as a bumper mount tow point especially on the XJ’s. The hitch mounts to the same place if not more then the bumper would. It also puts the puling force in the center of the vehicle.
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2008, 08:43:58 PM »
my thoughts exactly about pulling from the center
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Re: nov 29
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2008, 09:03:40 PM »
Any hook mounted to a stock bumper is trouble, especially with larger tires because you'll just get more stuck.
The bumper will bend, bolts shear out, etc...

Trailer hitches are often mounted with cheap hardware, causing rust.
This is probably even worse on a unibody.
But more often it's the hitch pin that will fail. I don't think they are rated anywhere near the force you put on them on the end of a streching tow strap.
That receiver hook will go right through a windshield and keep going.
I have a pic of that here somewhere, from a waiparous run...

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Re: nov 29
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2008, 09:54:29 PM »
I've spent a lot of time working around machinery that makes our Jeeps look like toys. I've also spent the last five years of my professional life working as a high angle rescue technician. This has taught me a few things about safe and unsafe ways to use equipment in dangerous settings. I've seen a lot of close calls and some bad outcomes in situations that give real meaning to the term "high stakes".

For what it's worth, these are the things that are in the front of my mind when I think about what I witnessed on Saturday.

#1. High quality hardware. Everything from bolts and nuts holding tow hooks onto bumpers through to hitch pins, shackles and snatch blocks. Spend the money, do the research, buy the good stuff. Make sure that the stuff you bought last year hasn't rusted...and check it BEFORE you're stuck. Preferably when you're still in town so that you can replace it! If you're not sure about what the quality of the hardware is, then replace it all. Doing that is cheap compared to the alternative

#2. Check it, use it, clean it, and check it again. Even with the best equipment in the world, it can be weakened by heavy use, improper loading, corrosion, impact damage, or simply time. Even if you've never used it, a "soft" item like a tow strap has a fixed shelf life. In the high angle rescue world, you don't ever use anything that you don't know the entire history of, and you don't ever use a harness or rope that has exceeded it's reccomended lifespan.

#3. The line of fire. Even if you're 300 feet away from a recovery, you may still be at risk. As some of us saw on Saturday, distance from the recovery (or even a vehicle between you and where the recovery is occuring) is no insurance that you're protected. Pay attention to what's happening, analyze where the danger may be something fails, and move yourself and other people out of the danger zone. If you're not sure where the danger zone is, move well away, and don't be in a direct line (forwards or rearwards) with the direction that the pull is happening.

#4. There are no exceptions to the laws of physics. When compared to the amount of energy that we load into a system of tow straps or winch cable during a recovery, our bodies (and even our Jeeps) are fragile things. Once that amount of energy is transfered into a piece of metal, the potential for disaster is huge. This reality is made even worse by the fact that we're essentially on our own out there. 911 doesn't work in most of the places that we do recoveries.

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