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Offline JackstandJohnny

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Mclean Long Weekend news report
« on: May 19, 2009, 12:21:21 PM »
i figured this was worth posting........   from the Calgary Sun.



There were a slew of fines issued this weekend for everything from trucks without mudflaps to booze -- but no one died
By MICHAEL PLATT

Last Updated: 19th May 2009, 3:09am

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Facebook Digg Del.icio.us Google Stumble Upon Newsvine Reddit Technorati Feed Me Yahoo Simpy Squidoo Spurl Blogmarks Netvouz Scuttle Sitejot + What are these? A fistful of tickets, and a frown darker than the mud caked to his four-wheel drive truck.

"I can understand no tolerance, but at least let us have some fun -- you can't have fun if you leave here with $500 worth of tickets."

So ended the May long weekend for Calgarian Lance Foubert, and hundreds just like him, all nabbed in a back-country blitz that resulted in nearly 1,000 fines and countless long faces.

"The cops were giving out a lot of stupid tickets," said Foubert, who spent the weekend at the McLean Creek off-roading area near Bragg Creek.

"They gave my buddy a $115 cracked windshield ticket even though it just happened, and they gave us a ticket for no mudflaps, and one for open liquor when we were stuck in the mud."

Stupid to some, a saving grace to others.

"It was way better than last year, way better," said Danny Tilleman, another McLean Creek camper.

Thus, two groups of campers, two four-wheel drive trucks, and two very different opinions of the weekend that was.

Tilleman says it was a matter of knowing the police were watching, and keeping your nose clean.

He says the presence of park officers, rangers and police reduced the rowdiness, but it didn't spoil the party for those who knew the rules and obeyed them.

"We had 30 people there, we had loud music and everything, but we cleaned up the campsite every morning, because we knew we had to," said Tilleman.

"There was no problem, and it was much better this year."

With no major incidents of violence or vandalism marring the May long weekend, this year's massive law-enforcement crackdown on camping areas is being hailed a victory by those trying to halt the mayhem of the past.

Instead of burning couches, overturned cars, rapes, bloody brawls and even death, 2009 was marked by a multitude of minor crimes, including traffic violations, open liquor, and illegal drug use.

More significant events included a stolen vehicle, a missing person later located, two quad rollovers and a fight at the Ghost Campground.

Overall, it was a picture of well-supervised silliness, as people celebrated winter's end.

"I think the message is starting to get out there, and people are recognizing this is not a free-for-all," said Cindy Ady, Alberta's Minister of Parks and Tourism.

"People who are responsible are returning because they know we have a handle on things, and the others are more aware -- they know we're out there looking for them."

Or they're getting caught before the problems really ignite.

Finding and fining the trouble makers is what hundreds of wildlife officers and police did over the three-day weekend, taking their ticket books into areas where the law is rarely seen.

In past years, those who trekked beyond the established campgrounds into the woods and wilderness were relatively immune to the law, and the result, too often, was environmental damage and a huge mess left behind.

This year, along with bolstered campground supervision, officers from Sustainable Resource Development and the RCMP followed the party crowd into the back country, writing tickets by the ledger-full.

RCMP spokesman Sgt. Patrick Webb said the huge increase in fines issued is a reflection of the extra enforcement, rather than any deterioration of behaviour on the part of campers.

Webb said the lack of serious crime and destruction is the real indication of success on a weekend notorious for rowdy behaviour and drunken stupidity.

"If you look back into history we've had some disastrous weekends that have included major bodily harm, sexual assaults, and even deaths by accident," said Webb.

"In this case, if you look at the statistics, there's a lot of tickets, there's a lot of vehicles checked, there's a lot of investigations, but the very serious crime is not on the page.

"We're very pleased about that."

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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 12:53:56 PM »
i dont really understand people complaining when they break the law? " we got a ticket for open booze in the truck but we were stuck" hmm so if you got un stuck would you have been un drunk? or poured the alchohol out? or was the alcohol the reason you were stuck?

why cant we just wheel responsibly? have fun then go back to your campsite get drunk and laugh about your day.  and it really sucks that people have to be policed and cant just be responsible by themselfs.

 just my 2 cents. hope everyone had fun on the long weekend (i was sick  >:()

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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 05:36:56 PM »
It seems that the people fumed by the enforcement are the fools that ruin it for everyone.  If you want to wheel, obey the law.  Otherwise dont cry when you get caught.

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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 08:12:54 PM »
I think the only silly thing was the windshield ticket, it is pretty easy to get a crack.


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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 09:52:15 PM »
I find that often when you get a silly ticket its cause you've fumed someone off and now they're just going to nail your butt anyway they can.  That being said... a cracked windshield ticket does seem a bit over the top.

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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2009, 10:04:25 PM »
 true we don't know the whole story maybe the guy had more violations and the cop let him off light with just that one.


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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2009, 10:19:40 PM »
I was out there this may long.  And Id have to say I give props to the police, conservation, and everyone else out there.  They did an excellent job.  Twice my friends and I were caught unknowingly doing something illegal (once speeding and the other camping in a out of bounds area) and both times the police were VERY understanding and respectful, and treated us with the same decency that we treated them!  I can garauntee that anyone out there that got a ticket was a.) doing something really stupid or b.) being a total dickhead when he/she got caught.  For the most part that enforcement out there realized that we were there to have fun and party and if we did it responsibly left us alone!

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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2009, 10:29:50 PM »
I was out there too ... it was awesome seeing all the enforcement out there ... they were even there late at night  fairly deep down towards fisher east.   I went through about 5 check stops  and was stopped once by officers on foot checking to see if there was any booze in the jeep.  In no way did i find this to be any inconvenience and i thanked every one of them for being out there before driving away.    ;D
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2009, 10:43:17 PM »
Kudos to the additional law enforcement.  

We saw the same sort of thing in Castle area. There was a check stop on the way in but they did give warnings for some offenses instead of tickets - possibly dependent on response and attitude.  My wife received a warning for not having her current pink card.

I have never seen so many RCMP vehicles moving through the recreation area. In the past they stayed in the check stop location and picked people off there.

The forestry firefighters were also out and visited all the campsites to talk about fire safety and that there would be fines for unattended fires. As we were leaving on Monday afternoon they were traveling around to all the campsites ensuring the fires were out.

There was also a blind eye turned towards offroad vehicles on the roads - there was still significant snow on the trails and the ditches were very soft. Many quads stayed low speed on the side of the road instead of tearing up ditches and they were rewarded with tolerance from law enforcement.

I hope that this years success will result in a continued enforcement program for the future.
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 08:49:15 AM »
I was out there too ... it was awesome seeing all the enforcement out there ... they were even there late at night  fairly deep down towards fisher east.   I went through about 5 check stops  and was stopped once by officers on foot checking to see if there was any booze in the jeep.  In no way did i find this to be any inconvenience and i thanked every one of them for being out there before driving away.    ;D

couple may longs ago i was pulled over (ON the trail) by the 'fish cops'  you can usually tell them a mile away, when they pull up in 3 identical quads wearing identical clothing.   anyways, they stopped us 'punks'  asked if we had been drinking. i say no, they ask if we had no booze, i said 'sir, i break enough stuff sober, i cant imagine that would get better with alcohol'  officer laughed, and we chatted about may long and wheeling and trail systems for a good 20 minutes afterward.  couldn't have been nicer to us.
same thing at IG i believe it was 2 weeks before they CLOSED it. conservation officer pulled up beside me while we were eating lunch, again, talked for a good 2o minutes.   they were great.  boils down to responsible use methinks.

i was really glad to hear all the enforcement out there.  personally i'm getting sick of wheeling' and debaucherous 'redneck' behaviour lumped together.  I have to much money and pride tied up in my jeeps to be lumped in with such a crowd.  (don't mean to open a can of worms here but drinkin' and wheelin' don't mix'
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 09:20:19 AM »

More significant events included a stolen vehicle, a missing person later located, two quad rollovers and a fight at the Ghost Campground.


that was my brother and my cousin... They had been gone 24hrs+ after when they had said they'd return. I drove all the way down to crows nest pass on monday and searched in vien for a place called Something.

They showed up later. I dont now who phoned the cops tho, one of the very few of my dramatic family members probably.
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2009, 01:20:42 PM »
Personally the tickets where a bit retarted my buddy chris has mudflaps on his towrig (04 cummins on 37's) and they gave him a no mudflap ticket because the flaps werent as wide as his tires (inch or two to narrow)
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2009, 01:23:51 PM »
Personally the tickets where a bit retarted my buddy chris has mudflaps on his towrig (04 cummins on 37's) and they gave him a no mudflap ticket because the flaps werent as wide as his tires (inch or two to narrow)

So he was breaking the law, got caught and got ticketed right?

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2009, 02:39:55 PM »
Personally the tickets where a bit retarted my buddy chris has mudflaps on his towrig (04 cummins on 37's) and they gave him a no mudflap ticket because the flaps werent as wide as his tires (inch or two to narrow)

The traffic act clear states what the requirement is. 
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Re: Mclean Long Weekend news report
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2009, 03:01:26 PM »
what is the requirement for mud flaps?