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Offline 2grand4u

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flat tow a tj
« on: October 26, 2009, 07:57:42 PM »
just wonder what is involved, i know it;s a good idea to take the drive shafts off and such but do you need to leave the key in the ignition so the wheels turn or do you lock the steering, may seem like a dumb qustion.

and would 97 grand cherokee brake handle it or should i mod them.
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Offline Mudhawg

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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 09:39:47 PM »
just wonder what is involved, i know it;s a good idea to take the drive shafts off and such but do you need to leave the key in the ignition so the wheels turn or do you lock the steering, may seem like a dumb qustion.

and would 97 grand cherokee brake handle it or should i mod them.

i towbar my XJ out tranny in N tcase in N and key turned 1 click forward to have the steering unlocked... i used a 4.3L/Manual tranny 4wd GMC sonoma and worked fairly well lagged a bit but was bad for stopping and such
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 09:41:45 PM »
Yup. No need to pull shafts.

Tcase N
Tranny N
Steering unlocked.

Keep you towbar as flat as possible to avoid your tires turning opposite direction than u.

Offline 03Jeeper

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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 11:13:40 PM »
If its auto, Transfer case in neutral, transmission in Park or in Gear
It is manual, Transfer case in neutral, transmission in 1st gear.
Steering wheel must be unlocked too.

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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 11:25:23 PM »
I've done lots of towing with differnt rigs. Mostly my XJ when it was on 31s behind my truck/camper.

Law for Alberta states that the tow vehicle must be twice the weight of the vehicle being towed. Here's why, vehicles on tow bars have no hitch weight and no brakes and 4 wheels that want to go straight. There is no weight transfer to the tow rig to keep its back end planted.  

With the camper on my 3/4ton diesel truck everything was great, I had enough weight on the rear axle to keep the XJ in line. Without the camper everything was fine as long as the roads were good and I didn't try any sudden lane changes coupled with braking but I did rarely and carefully. Here's why:

I towed a friends CJ to my place to do some repairs. '92 Dodge 3/4ton diesel 4X4, empty box pulling a CJ on 35s. Hit some heavy rain along the way and when I tried to slow done and do a right turn off the highway it started to jack knife on me. Fortunately  it was a wide turn with no one in the oncoming lane so I was able to countersteer, punch the throttle, snap it staright and take the corner wide.

A Grand Cherokee is not heavy enough to flat tow any 4x4. Yes the towed vehicle maybe within the ZJ rated towing specs but those specs assume a 10-15% weight transfer onto the back of the ZJ to keep its back end planted and also that any trailer it tows over 3500# would have its own brakes. ZJ brakes SUCK!

Get a trailer or tow dolly with brakes.
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 11:39:08 PM »
Get a trailer or tow dolly with brakes.

Words of wisdom. I've been driving vehicles towing heavy loads (at the same gross or even heavier than the tow vehicle) when he trailer brakes failed. It can get VERY sketchy. I would be hesitant to tow something without trailer brakes unless the tow rig was +/- twice the weight if the towed unit.

A tow dolly with trailer brakes would save you a lot of grief.
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 07:50:58 PM »


A Grand Cherokee is not heavy enough to flat tow any 4x4. Yes the towed vehicle maybe within the ZJ rated towing specs but those specs assume a 10-15% weight transfer onto the back of the ZJ to keep its back end planted and also that any trailer it tows over 3500# would have its own brakes. ZJ brakes SUCK!



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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 10:09:23 PM »
I hope commancherunner sees this....

I was thinking the same thing
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 10:11:43 PM »
why he wasn't towing with a ZJ.......................
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 10:14:07 PM »
no, he was towing a ZJ with his XJ, an even lighter vehicle, towing a heavier rig.
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 10:32:58 PM »
I think the ZJ was on a tow dolly though.  pretty sure i saw that seeing as i was sitting on my arse while the tow truck driver stripped the bolts on my rear driveshaft cause 'he's not allowed to let me take it off due to insurance purposes'  pfft.
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 01:20:23 AM »
would 97 grand cherokee brake handle it or should i mod them.
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 01:25:03 AM »
no, he was towing a ZJ with his XJ, an even lighter vehicle, towing a heavier rig.

So lemme get this straight. Using an XJ, to flat-tow a ZJ, that has a spool in the rear?On the highway nonetheless. That can't be a good thing?
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 03:53:50 AM »
So lemme get this straight. Using an XJ, to flat-tow a ZJ, that has a spool in the rear?On the highway nonetheless. That can't be a good thing?

I wasn't there, but this is the sort of thing that strikes me as having the potential to be substantially worse than using a dead cow as an RTI ramp.  :o
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Re: flat tow a tj
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2009, 09:06:21 AM »
iroks dont' fit in dollies ;) apparently. whatever whats done is done, nothing a 5 finger discount at PNP cna't fix...... lots of 8.8s there..... just helping people towards their swap by taking off the driveshaft ;)
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