Michie Stabbed!

[w squared]

Martial arts training is a good idea...but bear in mind that true "martial" arts is not limited to unarmed techniques.

When someone's willingness to use deadly force (a knife) has already been proven, it justifies responding with deadly force to defend your own life or the lives of your family.

The restraining order that was previously mentioned might be worth considering - but the one thing that I would absolutely make certain of is that you've got the tools and techniques available at home to make sure that this individual doesn't get a second chance to hurt Michie or anyone else in your family.

There are only two things that I would see as true equalizers in a situation like that.

#1. Is a large dog with protective instincts. Badguys fear the "land shark" in a big way, and a dog won't think twice about giving up it's own life to protect a family member.

#2. Is an appropriate firearm and the competence to use it effectively. Two or three addicts hopped up on crystal meth are a nightmare that even most martial arts practitioners would be hard pressed to deal with. One competent person facing two or three "badguys" is still a probable victim...but a competent person with an inexpensive Remington 870 with a flshlight on it has gone from being a probable victim to a probable victor.

[WhiteOut]

Except that its illegal to use a firearm for anything other than hunting and target shooting in Canada. Even if its in self defense, your looking at assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, manslaughter or murder charges

[Rookie]

Pat I hope Michelle is doing better, can you find out what company he works for and which site he's on  so I can "arrange" for his co workers to find out what kind of guy he is . If its my company I'll pay him a visit

[dunl]

Accidental discharge x3... the rounds cooked off after the first one went.

Just hearsay, but I'm told unofficially that a nameless RCMP officer advised:

"Just make sure he's dead before you call."   

[The Machinist]

You need one of these guys, at 6 months and 70 lbs he is all ready an excellent watch/guard dog.  All though I'm probably more protective of him than he is of me.



Or you could just get some bear mace.

[w squared]

Except that its illegal to use a firearm for anything other than hunting and target shooting in Canada. Even if its in self defense, your looking at assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, manslaughter or murder charges

That's not quite right. "For self defense" is not a legitimate reason for owning a firearm in Canada, but there is nothing in the criminal code that states that specifically prohibits the use of a firearm when a different type of deadly force would be legal.

Oh...and by the way...it is also legal to posess a firearm for pest control, predator control, or wild animal defense (bears and cougars) in Canada. Certain people who work alone in the wilderness and cannot carry a long gun due to the nature of their work can actually get an ATC (authorization to carry) for a pistol to defend themselves from animals.

This sure isn't the USA, and we DEFINITELY don't have any sort of castle doctrine. If you shoot an unarmed burglar, you're going to jail. If you shoot a burglar that has a pistol in his pocket but has not threatened you directly, you are going to jail. If the Crown Prosecutor believes that you intended to kill an intruder just because he broke into your house, you're going to jail.

But...

If you shoot an intruder that has given you reasonable cause to believe that he (or they) intends to do grevious bodily harm to you and/or a family member and is able to do so in the immediate future, you will probably still get cuffed...but you probably won't get convicted. There are lots of conditions and "yabuts" and "except when" clauses attached to that...but the bottom line is that if a "reasonable person" would have had cause to believe that the intruder intended to kill someone in the house and had the means to accomplish that, then an equivalent level of force may be legally used in immediate defense of life. Once the deadly force threshold has been crossed (be it a knife or a gun), then deadly force can legitimately be used in self defense.

In a case like Tinkerer's where the individual has already attacked an immediate family member using deadly force on one occasion, you would have a hard time finding a Crown Attorney who was masochistic enough to want to press charges.

[yyc_tbird_sc]

To add to wsquared's post:

If you have a fire arm at the ready to defend yourself/family/house, and use it, then you're going to jail. You will have to prove that it was properly stored in a locked gun cabinet.

[w squared]

To add to wsquared's post:

If you have a fire arm at the ready to defend yourself/family/house, and use it, then you're going to jail. You will have to prove that it was properly stored in a locked gun cabinet.

That's debatable...if you happened to be cleaning said firearm when they broke in...

But that's going down a road that doesn't lead anywhere good.

You're fundamentally correct. It is illegal to load a firearm in a place where it is illegal to discharge it. It is illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits (unless you're on an approved range). Therefore, you will need to be able to plausibly demonstrate that the firearm was unloaded until you had reason to suspect that you might have to defend yourself in the immediate future. In the interests of common sense, you'll probably also want to give some thought to demonstrating that the firearm was safely stored in accordance with Canadian law...but it you happen to be in the same room with the firearm and are awake, then there is nothing indicating that the firearm is actually being stored.

Nowhere in Canadian law does it say that you can't take out a legally owned firearm and sit it on your coffee table so that you can look at it. It just says that when you store it, you must store it in a certain way.

[Spinalguy]

Why spend any money on a lawyer?
Just go to court and tell what happened

[JackstandJohnny]

The latest turn is that he has charged Michie with assault for choking him.  I wonder what numbnuts money-grabbing lawyer convinced a guy who had a knife and was threatening his wife/family and who stabbed Michie that he'd have *ANY* success at charging her.  Either that or I wonder what lies he told the lawyer/cops to "justify" what happened.

the same lawyer that successfully sues a family when his client falls through a skylight, lands on the kitchen counter, cutting himself on the butcher knife. 
as was the case though, buddy was still charged with breaking and entering/burlgary and a couple other things; just don't hear about it.

thats a really poopy deal.  it should just get thrown out/laughed out of court before anything comes of it.  it'll take a real good laywer to overturn a man attacking a woman with a steak knife.  maybe just in case you should get a whole swackload of pics too.   

i was sued once for GETTING Tboned, in an accident that was ruled  THEIR fault...... regardless it was thrown out pretty fast.................

good luck with it though Pat.  its BS. everyone knows it.

[frenchy]

...bumped into an old friend of ours and went to her house because her boyfriend had been acting strange. .... and there was an altercation ...

And the moral of the story is, don't talk to strangers acting strange.
Certainly don't follow them home and enter the home.

If you suspect foul play or abuse, call the authorities, they have the authority to investigate strangers, not you and I.

[Spinalguy]

i would call the POLICE and let them deal with it...

or on the other hand, you could get involved, stabbed, "friend" back with the stabber and you charged with assault

And MOST notably we are talking about a women doing all this. If it were my wife involved, i would already be in jail for going after the stabber but, hey, that's just me.

[frenchy]

Apparently you missed something bigtime...

our friend had been forced out of the house without her 7 week old twins and her 3 year old who were left *alone* and ended up stranded outside in the cold after the buses quit running and called my wife, who drove her home, partly to check on the kids. The "stranger" (her husband) came home later (she certainly didn't follow him) and caused the trouble.  He had cut the phone line, her cellphone was out in the Jeep and there was now a guy wielding a knife in front of her.  I'm pretty sure that all has been covered in the thread.

Now if  on the other hand, you didn't miss anything and you are saying you would a) leave your friend in the cold, b) leave the kids alone in the house, c)walk out of a house when a guy has a knife to your friend, then the moral of the story is that you could never be considered a friend.

Yeah, guess so, all I got from the firt page story was "bumped into an old friend and went to the house..."
And that you didn't even know where they lived... So kinda figured they were not really "friends"

Lost interest after that, apparently where the story changed into a distress call from a friend who was forced out, stranded with 3 kids while the busses had stopped running and the phone line was cut, etc...

[jeepjones]

Post up his address and let nature take its course hehehe....

[Spinalguy]

Pat,
we missed nothing. i had to re read everything. Until Frenchy commented, that other info was not presented. Until i commented, even more info was presented.
i am sooooo confused.
In 50 words or less can you cliffnote this one?

Buses no longer running?
Young child and babies left at home alone while Mom was out all night.
Michie rescues LOSER to take home to abandoned children.
While there, Dad arrives and stabs Michie.
Stabber goes to jail.
Some OTHER LOSER guy is in the picture???that part really confuses me.
Someone charges Michie.


So when LOSER Mom calls and explains situation, that is when i call police to have them deal with it.
The call would be to let POLICE know that babies are abandoned at home. They can pick up LOSER Mom or if address is known, than POLICE can go direct.
Michie can feel good about helping the KIDS.