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Offline dunl

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4.0 L engines seizing
« on: July 17, 2012, 05:11:24 PM »
What is with 4.0L engines seizing in WJ's? I've seen a few lately....something different in the design compared to TJ's?
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Offline corsjeep

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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 05:53:55 PM »
My brother in law (a fussy hd mechanic I might add) has his seize up for no reason at 165k on his 02 wj. He was on his way to Vancover and the Jeep started to lag, he pulled over to check it over and all was fine. 20km later it seized up solid, he completely rebuilt that engine and never did figure out what caused it to go.

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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 06:13:33 PM »
No zinc.
Cough cough.

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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 08:48:12 PM »
No zinc.

And you think that's affecting the WJs more than the two doors?

I was thinking it might be something to do with the weights (almost 1000lb more in some cases, not all) or engine programming.

« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 10:15:07 PM by dunl »
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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 09:14:05 PM »
As for the oil, I run Rotella 10w30 in the winter, and 15w40 in the summer. My Xj's love it!
98 XJ Sport 2 Dr, 3", 33's and Bushwacker Flat Flares
87 XJ Wagoneer 5", Dana 44, 34" Swamper TSL's
97 TJ 5.2 Magnum V8 swap, 4" and 33" MTZ's- GF's Jeep
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Offline RenegadeTJ

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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 04:35:38 PM »
For older engines, that do not have roller cams and such, I think it is important to note that new formulated oils with the SN rating, have significantly less Zddp in the oil.   Zddp, has for a long time, been an additive in oil, the purpose of which is to give Ferrous Metals, while under heavy pressure, extra protection.

The reason why we see less Zddp in oil today (compared to previous oils rated ...SJ,SK,SL,SM) is that Zddp has been known to reduce the life of Catalytic converters.   Generally speaking, the auto industry has been wanting to expand the life of Cat's because they have been federally mandated to warranty them for longer.   The only way to extend the life of a Cat is to reduce the Zddp that flows through it.  Sadly, it is at the expense of the innards of many engines.

Some folks are using oils for Diesels, like Shell Rotella 10W30 or Valvoline Fleet plus 10w30 that has higher Zddp levels than on conventional motor oils found on the shelves of many retailers.  It works!

Another option is to purchase a Zddp additive, such as Lucas Oil - Engine Break in Additive.
http://www.lucasoil.ca/products/product.asp?id=67&cat=Automotive
I use this product on my TJ, but only add in 40z. per with the 6 litres of Valvoline 10W30 (white bottle).  Any slight lifter noise that my TJ has had, is long gone.

I o not recommend using the whole bottle (16 oz.) in your engine.  You just want to boost the Zddp levels in your oil to protect your engine.  Eventually it will be at the death of my Cat's but I figure it is cheaper to replace the Cat's than rebuild my 4.0L engine.

BJ

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Re: 4.0 L engines seizing
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 08:16:20 AM »
My 98 XJ and 97 TJ don't have cats anymore :p So I'm not worried about that part.
98 XJ Sport 2 Dr, 3", 33's and Bushwacker Flat Flares
87 XJ Wagoneer 5", Dana 44, 34" Swamper TSL's
97 TJ 5.2 Magnum V8 swap, 4" and 33" MTZ's- GF's Jeep
84 Mustang GT-Built 351W 5spd
97 XJ - 3.5", 31" BFG. 370,000 KMS and counting!