Lithium Ion Batteries

[BrokenAxle]

We are thinking of bringing in some of these batteries.  What do you think?  They are more expensive than a normal battery or an Optima, but are supposed to be way better. 

A couple of neat features are their "never die" system, where is the battery is drained beyond a certain point it will shut off with enough reserve to restart the vehicle.
With that never die system, you can also get a remote for it, so it will act as a anti theft device.  "lock" it with the remote and you can't start the vehicle.
They also expect a 10-15 year life out of these things.

http://www.lithionicsbattery.com/

[Pookapotamus]

can you charge them with a standard charger?

[Vinman]

How much more expensive compared to a comparable capacity wet cell battery?
Double? Triple?

[binare]

I'd never put one in a daily driver or even an offroad  vehicle. These must be expensive as all hell, charging circuit built in or requiring an entirely different charging system. Constant current is close enough to claim but not constant voltage. They probably use a built in voltage regulator. Personally I'd shy away from the daily driver and explosive puncture issues of trying to sell what I'd bet is a 300-400 bean battery. What we really need is better charging, not batteries.

[morerpmfred]

How does it perform when -40 celsius ?

[Joel]

How much more expensive compared to a comparable capacity wet cell battery?
Double? Triple?

Vince, I think your good.   Prices may have dropped significantly, as these maybe take-off's from the Boeing 747's? 

[vantagetes]

How much more expensive compared to a comparable capacity wet cell battery?
Double? Triple?

MSRP is $600-850 for 800-1200 CCA, another $120 for remote.

[binare]

MSRP is $600-850 for 800-1200 CCA, another $120 for remote.

Jesus, I thought 400 was expensive!

[vantagetes]

Mmm and they are pretty hush hush about warranty on their website, but poking through some resellers it ranges from 1-3 years. Not exactly confidence invoking when the lead cell battery they claim to almost double in lifetime usually comes with a 3 year warranty.

[TL-Iguana]

these maybe take-off's from the Boeing 747's? 

Lithium batteries are actually forbidden to fly. They classify them as dangerous goods and are forbidden because they pose to be an extreme fire hazard. Each airline is different mind you  but Delta, United, Westjet, Horizon and Air Canada will not accept lithium batteries at all to fly, unless it is in a powered wheelchair. Even then the Captain has to be notified he has a lithium battery on board, and its then his call whether or not he wants to say no

[BrokenAxle]

The batteries are charged with a standard charging system in the vehicle.  To charge out of the vehicle they do require a new charger - available for $130.
I suspect the cold weather does affect them to some degree.  They do have an available cold weather package that has an internal heater to keep the battery warm.
The base model battery for a jeep would be approx $435.  Fully loaded with never die and remote would be approx $700.
Batteries are said to be rebuildable as well.  I don't know the cost to do so though.

[w squared]

Lithium batteries are actually forbidden to fly. They classify them as dangerous goods and are forbidden because they pose to be an extreme fire hazard. Each airline is different mind you  but Delta, United, Westjet, Horizon and Air Canada will not accept lithium batteries at all to fly, unless it is in a powered wheelchair. Even then the Captain has to be notified he has a lithium battery on board, and its then his call whether or not he wants to say no

Maybe someone should have told Boeing about that. They seem to have installed them new-fangled high-falootin lithiums in their 787's.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/boeing_proposes_revamping_lithium_1RH0JviRJUBRGqGeaSfcwL

But then again, I think those dreamliners are grounded right now...

[jkrubi]

Lithium batteries are actually forbidden to fly. They classify them as dangerous goods and are forbidden because they pose to be an extreme fire hazard. Each airline is different mind you  but Delta, United, Westjet, Horizon and Air Canada will not accept lithium batteries at all to fly, unless it is in a powered wheelchair. Even then the Captain has to be notified he has a lithium battery on board, and its then his call whether or not he wants to say no

They are forbidden to fly in the baggage pit! You can do them as carry on, that's how I get my drill battery's to go with me. But you do get strange looks from the security when all you have are battery's in your pocket!