Calgary Jeep Association
Off Highway Staging Area => Open Trail Rides => Topic started by: scott/kerri on November 24, 2008, 07:09:36 PM
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i am woundering if anyone would like to go wheelin on saterday the old lady is going to stay home with her daughter . let me know if your comming
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U should be able to count me in.. If somthing changes ill tell you.. But i think i should be in.. Might need to meet someone in calgary again cause im still not 100% on directions there
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i am comming from canmore i could mee you at the petro canada at hwy 1 and hwy 22 if you like
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Sounds good.. Will confirm it later in the week or whatever
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sweet
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hey you should make it on sunday so i can be rope b!!h lol come on i really want to come
ps zac just joined on the site as ford boy give me a call tomorrow scott after 5 ttyl
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I may be in for this if all goes well this week. Got a few electrical tweaks to do, some plumbing on the agenda, and a few appointments. If I've got it all cleared up by Saturday, I think we're looking good.
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What trail are you guys thinking??
I want to go tool around this weekend....but not alone,
Tks.
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Something other than top of the world. Any suggestions?
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we could do fisher west and some exploring noting real diffacult for the newguys lol
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I'd be good with that. I've only done Fisher West once, so I'm good with another run through there. Maybe even that exploring...
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highly doubt anyone would make fisher west with the amout of snow thats out there. did fisher east last weekend and hardly made it to the big hill. and thats pretty mon-dane.
helpful hint:
3 lbs of air ;)
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Its suppost to be warmer out this weekend according to the radio.. Maby will make er a bit muddy haha
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Once again like a broken record, this one would be of interest to me - IF the route can be managed by a novice with much still to learn.
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My only concern is that i cant do anything crazy.. Cause i needs to get to work next week haha :p
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got the lift in and the 33's on i will be out there sunday if i cant make it saterday
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What size lift?.. Ive got 5" on 33's
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it has a 2" lift with little rubbing if you want to see it i will be out at mclean on sunday
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we did fisher east 2 weeks ago there is a buypass for the big hills . that little bit of snow makes it a little more interesting weeeee . anyways if it gets 2 bad we can always turn around we will deside if the time comes hehe. anyways i am thinking meet at the store inbetween 9 and 930 if that works on the trail for 945 .
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Well im still down to meet at the gas station u mentioned.. Unless somone in calgary can meet me cause that would be ideal
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Well im still down to meet at the gas station u mentioned.. Unless somone in calgary can meet me cause that would be ideal
I'll be coming from Calgary (Southeast). I'd be more than happy to guide you out. If we're going to be at the store for 9, I'd like to be heading out of Calgary sometime around 8. That leaves enough time for a top-off in Bragg Creek and one last tinkle break for the ladies.
What part of the city are you coming from?
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Im coming from airdire.. But am willing to meet anywhere
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If you're coming in from Airdrie, then your best bet is probably to go straight west to HWY22, and then run south through Cochrane to meet Scott at the Petro-Can. It'd certainly be easy to meet me, but you'd be travelling south only to travel back north again...and you'd have to get from the Deerfoot back over to the west side of the city. I'll see you guys at the store!
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I'll be coming from Red Neck Deer down 22 to Cochrane. I can meet at the PC on #1 as well and head to Mclean Creek store from there. I get gas in Bragg Creek because the guy there is so great. That kind of service and courtesy should be patronized.
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So its looking like i could meet some1 in cochrane petro eh
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yes i can meet you at the petro that isnt a problemi get fuel and lunch in bragg creek as well
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might i be able to get a more specific adress for it.. as i cannot find a petro can on highway 1 near cochrane using google maps haha
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might i be able to get a more specific adress for it.. as i cannot find a petro can on highway 1 near cochrane using google maps haha
It's only a few hundred yards west of the Hwy 22 and Trans Canada overpass on the north side of the Trans Canada. You can't miss it.
http://www.petro-canada.ca/en/locations/4085.aspx?MODE=DTS&ID=85527
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Cool thanks for the help.. What time should i be there?
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They're talking 9 - 9:30 at the store above. That seems a bit early for the season now still nearly dark. If that's the house call that'll mean 8:45 on the Trans Canada if one needs to fuel up in Bragg Creek. The entire drive will be in the dark for me. I don't care for that on Hwy 22 from Olds to Cochrane with deer and such, but I'm not the boss. Whatever is agreed to works for me.
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Well i suppose i will make an attempt to be at the petro for about 8:30.. Better to be early haha.. Means im gunna have to leave at about 7:30-8:00 haha..
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hey joe, if i wire up my winch (phills old xd9000) i might try to get out for the last weekend mclean is open. what did u have in mind to run??? got my YJ up and running, 36s, and locked front and rear
What trail are you guys thinking??
I want to go tool around this weekend....but not alone,
Tks.
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im in for tomorrow, i broke all my gears except for one , GO GEAR, IM A BREAK SOME DIRT
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Well put man haha
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Im coming from airdire.. But am willing to meet anywhere
ill be heading out tmw. i live in airdrie aswell. if you want you can meet me at the no frills gas station for 8:00am.
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Looks like a good group. Lots of folks returning from the last Fisher East run that I was on. It'll be good to see you guys again.
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haha not really sure if p-dubb knows im leaving from airdrie. never seen his rig around town. hopefully he makes it to the petro haha. cant really miss it on ure way to mclean
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i should be at the petro for 8 50 or 9 i have a good buddy that lent me his 33s weeeeeee i should be a good run se you guys in the morning
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i did fisher east 3 weekends ago and its was awesome .
but i dont knwo how much more snow is on the ground since then .
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haha not really sure if p-dubb knows im leaving from airdrie. never seen his rig around town. hopefully he makes it to the petro haha. cant really miss it on ure way to mclean
mr beggins, if u see this before u leave tommorow.. gimme a call on my cell 403-650-0690 (ask for pat.. ill know whats up) and maby we can meet somewhere to make it easyer for me haha.. thanks hopfully it will work out.. imma try to leave myself plenty of time just in case but should be easy.. c yeah tommorow :D
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Nice meeting everyone this morning. I got a call just outside Cochrane that a female friend waiting for a hospital call back in Red Neck Deer got it and I knew I'd be heading back quickly. I decided to meet everyone and go to the trailhead. I might have looked distracted and one might have noticed I wasn't airing down. Nice to meet everyone though. Thanks.
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Sorry to hear that RedDog. We were wondering where you had gotten to. I hope that everything is all right with your friend.
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well was a good run.. except for one thing.. haha.. but u wanna pass on some pics that would be cool
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it was a good run today. other then the tow hook nobody got hurt is the main thing.we will pass some pics tommorw. hope to see you all on the trails soon
scott/kerri
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well i dont know about anyone else but i had a blast today. weeeeeeeeeeeeee
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no pics yet? haha.. but i dunno if u threw out that hook.. i hope not as i will trade you or something.. cause that things a trophy now haha
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no pics yet? haha.. but i dunno if u threw out that hook.. i hope not as i will trade you or something.. cause that things a trophy now haha
Jeez what did the hook rip off of? Thats sketchy.... :o
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sorry had to get it back on the jeep so we could go wheeling with winch and hook again for the 30th....sorry
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lol np its all good.. make sure it stays on this time :P
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btw was there a nut on the back of it.. cause if not then that could have been what caused it.. i looked on mine and they all have a nut on the back as well..
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ya there was a nut there still "Just barely" but all busted up and the threads were torn right threwit bent the whole bumper and stretched the bolt hole...not a pretty site we are going to do some reinforcing things this winter and be ready for spring.
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For us that where not their on the trip and for a community learning session, so it doesn’t happen to others. What happened?
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Front tow hook came flying.. Very barely missed me and hit the rear quarter of my jeep.. Which then also smashed my rear window on the hard top.. Lesson.. stay way way way far back when doing that
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Oh and put a good half inch to one inch gash in the quarter.. Its all messed up right now haha
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For us that where not their on the trip and for a community learning session, so it doesn’t happen to others. What happened?
Tow hooks mounted to sheet metal are just as dangerous as receiver hitch hooks you'd mentioned in another post.
Both will fail a lot sooner then a proper tow point.
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Tow hooks mounted to sheet metal are just as dangerous as receiver hitch hooks you'd mentioned in another post.
Both will fail a lot sooner then a proper tow point.
why is a receiver hitch hook just as bad? they seem solid
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I find that the hitch ones are gust as strong as a bumper mount tow point especially on the XJ’s. The hitch mounts to the same place if not more then the bumper would. It also puts the puling force in the center of the vehicle.
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my thoughts exactly about pulling from the center
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Any hook mounted to a stock bumper is trouble, especially with larger tires because you'll just get more stuck.
The bumper will bend, bolts shear out, etc...
Trailer hitches are often mounted with cheap hardware, causing rust.
This is probably even worse on a unibody.
But more often it's the hitch pin that will fail. I don't think they are rated anywhere near the force you put on them on the end of a streching tow strap.
That receiver hook will go right through a windshield and keep going.
I have a pic of that here somewhere, from a waiparous run...
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I've spent a lot of time working around machinery that makes our Jeeps look like toys. I've also spent the last five years of my professional life working as a high angle rescue technician. This has taught me a few things about safe and unsafe ways to use equipment in dangerous settings. I've seen a lot of close calls and some bad outcomes in situations that give real meaning to the term "high stakes".
For what it's worth, these are the things that are in the front of my mind when I think about what I witnessed on Saturday.
#1. High quality hardware. Everything from bolts and nuts holding tow hooks onto bumpers through to hitch pins, shackles and snatch blocks. Spend the money, do the research, buy the good stuff. Make sure that the stuff you bought last year hasn't rusted...and check it BEFORE you're stuck. Preferably when you're still in town so that you can replace it! If you're not sure about what the quality of the hardware is, then replace it all. Doing that is cheap compared to the alternative
#2. Check it, use it, clean it, and check it again. Even with the best equipment in the world, it can be weakened by heavy use, improper loading, corrosion, impact damage, or simply time. Even if you've never used it, a "soft" item like a tow strap has a fixed shelf life. In the high angle rescue world, you don't ever use anything that you don't know the entire history of, and you don't ever use a harness or rope that has exceeded it's reccomended lifespan.
#3. The line of fire. Even if you're 300 feet away from a recovery, you may still be at risk. As some of us saw on Saturday, distance from the recovery (or even a vehicle between you and where the recovery is occuring) is no insurance that you're protected. Pay attention to what's happening, analyze where the danger may be something fails, and move yourself and other people out of the danger zone. If you're not sure where the danger zone is, move well away, and don't be in a direct line (forwards or rearwards) with the direction that the pull is happening.
#4. There are no exceptions to the laws of physics. When compared to the amount of energy that we load into a system of tow straps or winch cable during a recovery, our bodies (and even our Jeeps) are fragile things. Once that amount of energy is transfered into a piece of metal, the potential for disaster is huge. This reality is made even worse by the fact that we're essentially on our own out there. 911 doesn't work in most of the places that we do recoveries.
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Second that w squared. Pulled a guy out of meadow creek years ago before the saggy bridge was there. 2 straps one clevis where used . Used strap broke at eyelet and clevis with strap come at me. Did not have time to blink. major damage to truck. Body shop replaced grill ,hood,windshield, all trim,wiper assembly and drivers mirror. Roof was repaired , Had to kick the windshield out to see to drive home.I was so lucky to be alive and the clevis did not come through the wind shield but bounced of the hood .
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is there something like a blanket that u could put over a hook that if it was to break.. that would stop it from flying?.. yeah i know this was a while ago but i cant seem to stop thinking of how to try to stop it from happening again.. or to anyone elce.. any suggestions?
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A floor mat will often work. ARB makes a recovery "weight" that can be used. Failing that, a couple of jackets will work.
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properly bolted down hooks should never rip off like that .. ive given tugs to many people from the front and from the rear and neither one of our stock hooks that are still mounted to the stock bumber ever moved or broke and i mean good tugs .
there had to be damage to the bolts holding it on or something
but yes to avoid it a jacket will help
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2 straps one clevis where used . Used strap broke at eyelet and clevis with strap come at me.
Glad to hear that you are okay. Accidents like that happen in a blink of an eye
A good thick piece of dowel works great to join 2 straps plus it is very light so if a strap breaks it will fall.
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Glad to hear that you are okay. Accidents like that happen in a blink of an eye
A good thick piece of dwell works great to join 2 straps plus it is very light so if a strap breaks it will fall.
What is dwell?
Ive always wanted to get something strong and light to join the loops on 2 straps, I always end up using a branch and have a hell of a time untangling it.
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pretty sure it was suppose to be dowel.... phallic shaped piece of wood.
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What is dwell?
Ive always wanted to get something strong and light to join the loops on 2 straps, I always end up using a branch and have a hell of a time untangling it.
I have a wood hatchet handle in the jeep to join straps together.
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A floor mat will often work. ARB makes a recovery "weight" that can be used. Failing that, a couple of jackets will work.
i was thinking maybe a set of those 'truck nutz' things might work, i mean they can't possibly serve any other purpose can they?