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Title: Is this important?
Post by: AV.NINE on August 04, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Say I had this piece but it blew out of my truck on the way back from pnp and I installed a tranny without it. They call it a spacer but I believe its more or less just a fancy washer...

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Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: jkrubi on August 04, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Depends on what side of the flywheel it goes on.  Between the crank and flywheel it's used for correct aligment of the starter, between the flywheel and disk just a fancy washer. IMO
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: apeman on August 04, 2011, 10:17:08 PM
Actually its like a giant washer and yeah its important.  It distributes the torque of those bolts over the diameter of the flywheel surface....helps prevent warping...but I'm sure justin will just not use it anyhow
 ::)
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: TL-Iguana on August 04, 2011, 10:41:21 PM
Looks like the head Gasket out of a sanden AC compressor. If it was in your tranny, that may explain why the AC dont work ;)
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: Rubi03 jef on August 04, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
LOL  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: Waytec on August 05, 2011, 08:43:42 AM
Here is a way to look at it. car manufactures are the cheapest bunch of crooks out there. If it was not 110% needed it would not be there.
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: LukeDuke on August 05, 2011, 09:26:15 AM
Is it a shim or a washer? If its a thin shim then it is probally for between the crank and the flexplate for proper starter / torque converter engagment. If it's  a thick washer then its to renforce the thin flex plate.
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: Rubi03 jef on August 05, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
Looks like I'll be pulling a transmission in the near future.   Isn't that right justin
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: AV.NINE on August 05, 2011, 12:37:10 PM
Looks like I'll be pulling a transmission in the near future.   Isn't that right justin

Like cake after the 10th time...

Now to find out which side of the flex plate it goes on.
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: apeman on August 05, 2011, 01:26:56 PM
It goes on the very outside..just under the flywheel bolts dummy...its a washer not a shim..... ::)
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: AV.NINE on August 05, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
It goes on the very outside..just under the flywheel bolts dummy...its a washer not a shim..... ::)

I figured as much.... But is it needed haha
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: superles on August 05, 2011, 03:45:54 PM
I remember something like that hitting my windshield breaking it, what day did you come back from pnp.  
It distributes the load/ contact surface of the flywheel bolts, inshort giving a simillar contact surface on outside of flywheel as to the inside flange of the crank. This would reduce the chances of cracks around bolt holes. I've seen aftermarket flywheels installed that did not have this on. I also recommend buying new flywheels  (automatics) when doing transmission work / swaps as SFI comp flywheels only run 80 bucks and are much better quality.
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: apeman on August 06, 2011, 12:48:09 AM
You did a tranny swap,yet don't even know what a flywheeel torque spacer is? Good thing it wasn't for a nine ind customer....what's that lawsuit worth?
Just to pick the brain of a fab shop owner...did you locktite the bolts? What color?
Gotta ask...I figure if you have a company catering to jeepers, you should have some mechanical degree?
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: AV.NINE on August 06, 2011, 09:38:50 AM
You did a tranny swap,yet don't even know what a flywheeel torque spacer is? Good thing it wasn't for a nine ind customer....what's that lawsuit worth?
Just to pick the brain of a fab shop owner...did you locktite the bolts? What color?
Gotta ask...I figure if you have a company catering to jeepers, you should have some mechanical degree?

I was a second year mechanic back in the day, and currently have my "automotive service certificate". I have swapped engines, diffs, trannys, body parts, rad's, rims, tires, exhaust work, engine rebuilds, suspension systems, ect. This is the first standard to auto swap I have done. For a backyard mechanic to know every intricate part of a transmission system is probably not going to happen. I didn't just post up here blind. I've read 100's of forum pages and none of them had a clear answer. Is it a simple part, yes. I stated I had an idea as to what it is which is just a fancy washer. So what's going to happen if in don't install it? My flywheel will crack or break. And my flywheel was a used $20 part because I wasn't 100% sure it would work with the crank sensor.

As for a nine customer, if you hadn't noticed i shut it down. Not because of lack of knowledge but time. And I wasn't doing mechanical work for anyone there smart guy, nor anything structural, because I don't have the right equipment for projects that large. If the canadian welding board tests my welding and and accepts the fact I can weld a 20,000# skid together then 3 lbs brakets without structural integrity shouldn't be much of a liability.

And finally, yes everything was locktited. Blue and red depending on which bolts.

Anymore questions "mr. fitter god"?
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: apeman on August 06, 2011, 10:36:36 AM
yeah, one more, why shut down nine ind? The stuff i saw you make was pretty good, regardless of size, or quantity. You still need time to get your own stuff done i guess. Let me know when you start thinking of bumpers and armor, i know you could probably put out a good product.I wasnt criticizing your ability or qualifications at all Justin. Do what you want, just dont forget the little details. They usually end to be the make or break in any project, whether a tranny swap or a 5000hp skid.
Title: Re: Is this important?
Post by: Rubi03 jef on August 07, 2011, 08:43:59 PM
its a flex plate not flywheel .. just ot clear things up ..

and yes all bolts were locktite with red locktite