How to save $$ on idlers, belts, accsessories etc.

[jpthing]

It has nothing to due with scary and everything to do with being pointless bad advice. Period.

I hope you dont approach all these diffs you are going to work on with this "abstract" attitude of yours.

All what diffs? I was offering people the use of tools...
but so far my diffs are good.thanks for your concern.
Wait til you see my thread on junkyard budget lift ideas...all tried and tested of course .I have had several people asking so I am just trying to locate the req'd photos. I think you will "enjoy" it.

Interestingly enough I haven't got around to tightening the TJ's belt it's still ridiculously loose and stiil working fine, no squeals even since that time in the snow. I guess I'm still waiting for something terrible to happen. And I guess it would be impossible that my bearings are enjoying the lighter load?

Experts by definition must give proper advice...even if it's wrong. A proffesional cannot tell you to do something that a textbook says is "wrong". If a customer came into a dealership and asked whether you could use hockey pucks for body lifts, what do you think the experts would say? Despite the fact that I could show you a 1993 ford van that's had a hockey puck body lift since 93, same pucks, no issues, they would say "no, you should buy a proper brand name body lift from a reputable supplier". Try asking Jeep if half the stuff we do would work and they would say "no". That hasn't stopped us from trying anyway, and learning along the way what works and what doesn't.

If I asked jeep about my the oil/zinc issue, do you honestly think they would give the question any thought or do any research or would they just look it up in a book and say "no it just says to use 5w30, sir..." To me any serious question deserves a real consideration and thought, even if some beleive all the right answers are already in a book some where. Simply saying what is already written in the haynes book does not qualify as exploration or trial of a concept.

personally, if something works for me and is not safety related, I don't always listen to the experts. Honestly a lot of innovation and great crazy ideas has come from not listening to the naysaying experts but just trying it anyway.

[rocnrol]

hockey puck lifts are dangerous, but i am sure you tried it out on a barbecue first with ill results, so party on garth.

[Bnine]

personally, if something works for me and is not safety related, I don't always listen to the experts. Honestly a lot of innovation and great crazy ideas has come from not listening to the naysaying experts but just trying it anyway.

The same can be said for a lot koolade being drank, and a lot retards wasting a lot of time, energy, and money trying to fix something that wasnt broke.

[jpthing]

hockey puck lifts are dangerous, but i am sure you tried it out on a barbecue first with ill results, so party on garth.

Why is a single hockey puck (not stacked) used as a body lift dangerous?

[JackstandJohnny]

All what diffs? I was offering people the use of tools...
but so far my diffs are good.thanks for your concern.
Wait til you see my thread on junkyard budget lift ideas...all tried and tested of course .I have had several people asking so I am just trying to locate the req'd photos. I think you will "enjoy" it.

so, when you are doing a gearsetup,  even if the backlash is supposeed to be within 6 - 10 thousands as is spec, if its a little off, like 15 thou, thats probably not that bad right?  less preload on the bearing so it should last longer right?  well damn, my diff  hasn't blown up yet so it must be correct.


please stop posting your 'bargain' ideas as 'cheap solutions' before someone tries it, hurts themselves and comes back on our group because they 'read' it here.   your first three posts have been fun to read, but I'm sick of it.   and no, i 'don't have to read it' but i do, as have many others. and you are being politely asked now, STOP posting this garbage; if you want to be praised for your junkyard ideas go post it up on jeepforum or something where people have no clue what you're talking about.
lor Pirate..... that'd be funnier

[jpthing]

so, when you are doing a gearsetup,  even if the backlash is supposeed to be within 6 - 10 thousands as is spec, if its a little off, like 15 thou, thats probably not that bad right?  less preload on the bearing so it should last longer right?  well damn, my diff  hasn't blown up yet so it must be correct.


please stop posting your 'bargain' ideas as 'cheap solutions' before someone tries it, hurts themselves and comes back on our group because they 'read' it here.   your first three posts have been fun to read, but I'm sick of it.   and no, i 'don't have to read it' but i do, as have many others. and you are being politely asked now, STOP posting this garbage; if you want to be praised for your junkyard ideas go post it up on jeepforum or something where people have no clue what you're talking about.
lor Pirate..... that'd be funnier

Diffs and belts are pretty different. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Are you speaking in your official CJA capacity?

I've had several people interested in my setup to correct XJ rear leaf sag cheaply and easily. It is certainly safer if your leafs are not sagging nearly to your bumpstops, IMO. Are you saying these types of topics are not welcome on your site? If that is the case, I will cease and desist but I must have missed that part when I read the forum rules.

cheap junkyard tech intrigues me and my jeeps are living proof that it can work for some.

Which one of my bargain ideas could hurt someone JOhnnyC?

don't tell me you guys are scared of my body lift cuz it's made from hockey pucks...really?

[frenchy]

so, when you are doing a gearsetup,  even if the backlash is supposeed to be within 6 - 10 thousands as is spec, if its a little off, like 15 thou, thats probably not that bad right?  less preload on the bearing so it should last longer right?  well damn, my diff  hasn't blown up yet so it must be correct.


please stop posting your 'bargain' ideas as 'cheap solutions' before someone tries it, hurts themselves and comes back on our group because they 'read' it here.   your first three posts have been fun to read, but I'm sick of it.   and no, i 'don't have to read it' but i do, as have many others. and you are being politely asked now, STOP posting this garbage; if you want to be praised for your junkyard ideas go post it up on jeepforum or something where people have no clue what you're talking about.
lor Pirate..... that'd be funnier

 

[JackstandJohnny]

too funny serge.....

jpthin
just  my opinion; not CJA official........  these are open forums; unfortunately, there is no real forum for these posts.  I for one, do not classify your writeups as 'tech' but more of you 'tooting' your own horn because you found a cheaper way to do something.........

again, if it works for you that is great.  but what works for one, does not work for others. 

MAYBE at the next meeting (if it was of any inclination of yours to come out and see what we are all about asides from webwheeling) we could discuss opening another forum for 'junkyard fixes or ideas'  possibly.  and we could put a disclaimer on there for 'read at your own risk'  NOT necesarily endorsed by licensed Techs.  then we could have long lasting arguments over who's the cheapest, and who gets the best 'bang for your buck' 

 

[Immortal]

Just make a section for "junkyard fixes on the cheap", and put the disclaimer on the opening page and be done with it.

This has been entertaining, but I am done with it.

[jpthing]

too funny serge.....

jpthin
just  my opinion; not CJA official........  these are open forums; unfortunately, there is no real forum for these posts.  I for one, do not classify your writeups as 'tech' but more of you 'tooting' your own horn because you found a cheaper way to do something.........

again, if it works for you that is great.  but what works for one, does not work for others. 

MAYBE at the next meeting (if it was of any inclination of yours to come out and see what we are all about asides from webwheeling) we could discuss opening another forum for 'junkyard fixes or ideas'  possibly.  and we could put a disclaimer on there for 'read at your own risk'  NOT necesarily endorsed by licensed Techs.  then we could have long lasting arguments over who's the cheapest, and who gets the best 'bang for your buck' 

 

I came to your last meeting and open run and I was planning on going to the meeting tomorrow but now I'm unsure if this club is a good fit for me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I'm shocked at the name calling and insults and personal attacks that your moderators allow. I have been interested in membership for a while now, but I'm having second thoughts now based on my experiences on this board. And JOhnnyC your idea of opening a cheap tech forum is a good idea...but too late for me.
I will take my time, energy and enthusiams elsewhere.

cLAY thanks for your positive comments. It's good to hear that what works for me is working for others too.

rocnrol you still need to explain why you beleive hockey puck lifts are dangerous. Just saying so doesn't really have any value unless you can back up your claim.

Naysayers are a dime a dozen. People willing to try new ideas and share their findings with the aim of helping others are rare.

Some of my tech tips could be described as "junkyard fixes on the cheap" but sometimes they are just better.
 I have helped several friends do "bastard pack" add-a leafs using junk parts and they are all holding up fine. Another guy I know bought proper add-a-leafs from the 4X4 shop and they are already cracked less than a year later.

[jpthing]

Are you honestly implying I should be banned?
I have called no one any names, nor disparaged anyone's career choices.
I guess tech discussion is only ok here if you agree with it?

[jpthing]

Why is a single hockey puck (not stacked) used as a body lift dangerous?

The silence is deafening

[jpthing]

hockey puck lifts are dangerous, but i am sure you tried it out on a barbecue first with ill results, so party on garth.

Note the unsubstantiated claim followed by the uncalled for insult...wow great post. You are adding so much to this discussion. Thanks for bringing your expertise to this thread.

[Bnine]

Naysayers are a dime a dozen. People willing to try new ideas and share their findings with the aim of helping others are rare.

Thats the thing, your ingenuity is not new. Hockey puck body lifts, peice together drivelines that vibrate, and other various garbarge tech have all been around for years.

Any hockey pucks  used in body lifts are dangerous because they are brittle and prone to exploding into little peices. Its been done time and time again by cheap red necks. You are not original.


If you are going to get all butthurt every time someone points out flaws in your ideas then by all means, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Your tech is crap, and your attitude is worse. Unless you are a dramatically different person offline, well...........................

[jpthing]

Thats the thing, your ingenuity is not new. Hockey puck body lifts, peice together drivelines that vibrate, and other various garbarge tech have all been around for years.

Any hockey pucks  used in body lifts are dangerous because they are brittle and prone to exploding into little peices. Its been done time and time again by cheap red necks. You are not original.


If you are going to get all butthurt every time someone points out flaws in your ideas then by all means, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Your tech is crap, and your attitude is worse. Unless you are a dramatically different person offline, well...........................

I have a good friend who works doing wheelchair conversions on vans. They used hockey pucks for many years without problems. The materials sold as body lifts are in many cases much brittler than hockey puck rubber i.e. hard plastic. So you actually believe that a hockey puck can withstand a 70MPH slapshot hitting a solid wall but can't support 500kg?