Calgary Jeep Association
Off Highway Staging Area => Open Trail Rides => Topic started by: RUBI on August 24, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
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Always the way........never get any decent shots of ones own Jeep in action !
Next time I'll run at the back of the group.....not much for excitement up at the front ! ::)
was a nice pic :)
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Any bets as to how long before ur post is deleted Z ?? :o ;)
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Any bets as to how long before ur post is deleted Z ?? :o ;)
Postin pics`and videos on this site is not a game.
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Z, can u send me those picture's and video's.
[email protected]
Thanks
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hey where did our group photo go....... :'(
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Nobody said it was a game...I in fact knew that Z's post would be pulled as soon as someone else with the abilities to delete it would do so...( it was not within CJA guidelines)
I FAIL TO SEE...............how a group photo of clean dry Jeeps on flat dry ground would be considered to be unethical.
Some MODS on here are taking things a little to far playing "Holier than Thou"
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Totally Agree with you Rubi....if the group photo is not allowed what about the pic of the 4 Jeep's on the main page or the group photo in the pit from last year's 101, why are they allowed?
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Basically as i understand it...
if you are a member of CJA than one of the perks is posting pics in the members forum.
Quite simple, really.
Join
Post pics
Same story at FWS.
No biggie.
$50/year or about $4.25/month.
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Agreed... this is the CJA's website...
...It's their call on these things....
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Totally Agree with you Rubi....if the group photo is not allowed what about the pic of the 4 Jeep's on the main page or the group photo in the pit from last year's 101, why are they allowed?
Scott and Karri as members you can post photos in the members section and see other members photos. We just don't want to have to judge every photo that gets posted on the open forum, if it is appropriate or not. That would take way to much time and create more arguments about whos photos got to stay. There was a long argument previous years about what could stay and what could not stay so the rule is no photos in the non member's section. The one on the front page was agreed on by the executive.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....kinda like a Socialist Elite Party of sorts ! Zieg Heil !!
Now I understand ::)
I think a lot of these rules and regulations are a bit to stringent and tight lipped....I agree with the pricipals and guidelines, but HOLY CENSORSHIP BATMAN !!!
You guys are taking all the fun outta JEEPIN......maybe you should do a sticky of the CJA 10 Commandments..(or is it 30 something ???) on the Home Page !!
I will refrain from posting anything anymore and will no longer comment on anything Pro or Con.....from here out I will just be an observer. :-X
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That's too bad.
Cause it'd be a whole lot better if you could see their point, as I don't recall anyone here being paid fulltime to watch the entire website for pictures that can be used against the wheeling community.
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:-X
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....kinda like a Socialist Elite Party of sorts ! Zieg Heil !!
Now I understand ::)
No just membership has its privilege and gives access to another part of the forum with more freedom to post there. We don't censor comments unless they are not considered family friendly or are insulting or degrade another person or business. Most of the time we are very careful before we nuke someones post.
The photo crap has been an argument that went on, and on, and on, and on... for a year or more this was just a simple rule that was voted on and made the web site manageable. No one is paid to do this its just volenter work that the executive gets stuck with so you try to make it easy and clear cut for thouse volentering their time.
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I forgot we do nuke comments telling non members about trails we don't want to tell the general public to about. Yes, that is elitist but one of the privileges of becoming a member is you learn about other places to wheel and other club 4x4 events and wheeling trips. We protect some of that into very carefully. Again something the club voted to do. I agree with it some others did not but it was the decision made at that time by the majority of members at that meeting.
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Sorry...............breaking my vow of silence :-[ One last time
When you say voted by the club............is that by the Members at the meeting .....or all 49 ...(37 members,9 execs, 3 adm) given the chance to voice their concerns ?
Just curious........seems that out of 1064 registered users the membership should be higher that it is. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... ???
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Yes it was voted on by all members at a meeting a while back. Every 6 months or so it comes up again...and we rehash the hell out of it.
This is not a question of dirty jeep/clean jeep, on or offroad. It's simple. Members of the CJA can post pics in certain forums... people who are just forum member/users can not.
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Rubi,
pay your $50 and have a voice.
Sheesh...
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Sorry...............breaking my vow of silence :-[ One last time
When you say voted by the club............is that by the Members at the meeting .....or all 49 ...(37 members,9 execs, 3 adm) given the chance to voice their concerns ?
Just curious........seems that out of 1064 registered users the membership should be higher that it is. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... ???
That would be voted on at a meeting by the current members of the club that are at that meeting. Yes, only voted on by those that have paid membership fees and shown up at the meeting. Even a bigger qualification is that members need to have their membership application approved by the executive who have been elected each year. Being a registered user does not give a non member a say in how the club and website are operated as that is up to the paid membership and the executive. They pay for the web site and have a vested interest in the reputation of the club. Debate on topic is good and differing opinions are good but decisions are voted on and discussed at the members level and between the executive we try to follow what the majority of members want. Some times the executive makes decisions but usually in the short term and then they are discussed at the next meeting.
Don't vow silence. Debate is good that is how decisions get made and others get exposed to the information. Lots of the members have spent huge amounts of time building the clubs reputation as being responsible OHV useres. It only takes one person being really dumb with a CJA sticker on their jeep to distroy that work. So we have some rules to protect what we are trying to build. We have yet to kicked anyone out since I became a member but sometimes members get warned when they are being dumb or irresponsible. That is part of being a member of a club. Many of the clubs in the province have much striker rules and more requirements to becoming a member. Its just the way the club works. If pepole don't like the rules or what the club stands for then they don't have to become a member it's their choice.
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Not meaning to be a $h_t disturber or anything, I am just trying to understand some of the politics going on here.....Iv'e heard many a conversation on the trails about this same thing and a lot of people just don't want to deal with it at all ...so they just refuse to become an actual member. I do think your votes should include ALL MEMBERS wether attending the meetings or not...many like myself would be hard pressed to get out to these....maybe an onsight voting forum for members and the topics to be decided ??
So does this relate back to trouble in paradise, or to over zealous idealism and censorship ???
Maybe a slightly more relaxed atmosphere would generate more interest in membership and participation in Club organized events and Trail Projects ??
Believe me when I say ..........I Love getting out on the trails, and I use common sense and respect the enviroment.
Every time I get out I'm bring back more back than I left with.......and YES I still see abuse that has been going on out there, but if you can't catch them doing it...how are you gonna educate them ???
Iv'e been wheeling in Waip/Ghost , Hunter Valley, Burnt River area since the 80s and have probably been on more trails than most anyone I know..............and it saddens me I can no longer run many of them anymore. Times change.......larger populations and more users out there make it even more difficult create a positive image for us.
I guess I'll need to get out to this coming Sept meeting ...even if I have to take the time off work.................
I'll shut up now.......Iv'e spoke my piece.
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Some clubs will be more relaxed than the CJA, some will be more strict. In doing so, they create an atmosphere that is specific to that club. And "slightly more relaxed" means compared to what? Where do you draw the line?
That's the problem...you HAVE to draw a line somewhere, because if you don't there will always be someone who doesn't know when to stop themselves. That's why society has norms and rules.
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I can see both sides, while it would be nice to have a fully open community, I have seen some vids on youtube that reflected very poorly on the Jeep community in general. Although, I don't think Alex's hill climb was a violation of the Tread Lightly principles (please correct me if it was), I can see how someone outside the community can use collections of videos to make their case (correct or not). Due to the small size of the community, it is difficult to moderate posts, so I agree that not everyone should be allowed to post pics or vids.
However..... I also think someone like Rubi, who has enough posts and experience to know what is right and wrong, perhaps should be allowed to post a group shot. Perhaps once you have X number of posts in good standing, you can post pics??? jmho
regardless, I fully plan on attending the next meeting and paying my dues.
:) :) :)
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Good thread, it exposes others to some of the issues we are facing as a club / comunity members or not.
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Membership has it's due and priviledges I suppose..............
I guess I have inadvertently retracted my "Vow of Silence".......possibly my frustration of being told where one cannot go and what you may or may not do when there anyways. Possibly just getting Old and Miserable as well.
Born and raised right here in Alberta and have had all the countryside for my playground, and now having to share it with thousands more (some of which do not value it as much as others)........and only to be dictated to by the ones setting the new playground rules ( not meaning CJA.....the Govt sanctioned Authorities) GAMP ,AURS and all the rest of them. ..in some respects they need to be there, but for those who don't need them, it's sad. :'(
I try to get out as much and when I can, and if I can interest one more person and put a positive outlook on their experience...........maybe they will continue in those same footsteps.
I apologise for any ruffled feathers, it was not my intent to single anyone out if they have felt that way. ::)
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I still think there is a bit of confusion here... a forum member does not = a CJA member. The point is, this is the CJA's website and since everyone registered on this site agreed to their terms of use... then there shouldn't be any disagreement. The Club (the CJA) owns the forum - it's there's... they choose to share it with the public.... they moderate it as they collectively decide...
...I'm trying to understand why the discussion.... I'm sure you'd be miffed if your neighbor decided he wanted to change the color of your house one day... <confused>
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Freedom of speech, voicing ones opinions and concerns..........opens doors and minds to change.
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I agree... but I thought we were talking about posting pictures.
The policy is no pictures - this is not arguable - it's their rule.
To question why is this rule in place, sure go ahead... but it doesn't change the rule. Nor really influence it... for that, become a CJA member. This is only my point of view... there are many views and all will be valid in some form...
This sure sounds familiar... everyone wants change, but no one has the time... that's the next guys job. (yes this is the voice of frustration)
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I agree... but I thought we were talking about posting pictures.
The policy is no pictures - this is not arguable - it's their rule.
To question why is this rule in place, sure go ahead... but it doesn't change the rule. Nor really influence it... for that, become a CJA member. This is only my point of view... there are many views and all will be valid in some form...
This sure sounds familiar... everyone wants change, but no one has the time... that's the next guys job. (yes this is the voice of frustration)
I hear ya .... ;D
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This debate has been going on sine I started on the sight and became a member. Debate is good CJA rules are rules, if you don't like them go else where.
I am going to give a good example of what happened to my buddy back home in Ontario of how posting pictures can get you in trouble. If you don't know the OPP have a S.A.V.E team (don't ask me what it stands for) but the are the police group that patrol to waters and back country (they have stuff we would drool over) and they have more power then an average OPP officer.
They got a picture off of a web sight of where people are wheeling on privet land that they have permission to be on. They waited on the road and with a MTO officer and inspected each rig and out of 5, 3 where impounded for violations to the Vehicle Safety Act and in Ontario the road ditch is considered provincial property so they all go a trespassing ticket, very small amount not worth fitting, but gust insult to injury.
So you can see how pictures of doing thing perfectly legal con still get you into a situation. All off-roading, Jeep, Quad, and Bike are under the microscope all throughout the world so we have to do things to protect ourselves.
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a forum member does not = a CJA member. The point is, this is the CJA's website and since everyone registered on this site agreed to their terms of use... then there shouldn't be any disagreement. The Club (the CJA) owns the forum - it's there's... they choose to share it with the public.... they moderate it as they collectively decide...
This is EXACTLY it. If you don't like the way the forum is run, join the club and voice your opinion. It is a blunt statement, but the truth. I go to several other forum sites and I have to "play" by their rules as it is their site.
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now now... not need to say it like that... :-\
But yah, the only way to effect change is to be a part of the group that makes the rules... if your not, your energy is being wasted. This is the way it's always been... can be applied to any rule (or law) you can think of...
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Although, I don't think Alex's hill climb was a violation of the Tread Lightly principles (please correct me if it was),
i have not seen the video but i will give an example of an area you guys were that is not a tread lightly scenario. (***and i am not saying that any of you were 'off' the main trail up/down)
Along BORING 2WD Meadowcreek is a hill with 5 possible ways up/down that hill. Now, back in time there was one way up and down but than someone tried a NEW way and than another NEW way, etc until now there are 5 ways to the top/bottom that serve no purpose. In reality it is OFF the main trail so all the ups/downs are created under NOT tread lightly principles.
So, if a pic/video shows this hill than one can argue that we 'tore' it up although it has been there for years...get it?
Finally, i have pics from your run Saturday and i will post them at sites that do not care at all.
Tom
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i have not seen the video but i will give an example of an area you guys were that is not a tread lightly scenario. (***and i am not saying that any of you were 'off' the main trail up/down)
Along BORING 2WD Meadowcreek is a hill with 5 possible ways up/down that hill. Now, back in time there was one way up and down but than someone tried a NEW way and than another NEW way, etc until now there are 5 ways to the top/bottom that serve no purpose. In reality it is OFF the main trail so all the ups/downs are created under NOT tread lightly principles.
So, if a pic/video shows this hill than one can argue that we 'tore' it up although it has been there for years...get it?
Finally, i have pics from your run Saturday and i will post them at sites that do not care at all.
Tom
Your tone is condescending. There may be a reason why membership in the CJA is so low, if you treat potential new members like crap. I get it!
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Your tone is condescending. There may be a reason why membership in the CJA is so low, if you treat potential new members like crap. I get it!
You are way off base. In no way am i even trying to be condescending. Maybe i need to make use of the smilies. Where do you get that impression from?
i quoted you as an example of where one may think doing something is ok. Again, i stressed that i have not seen the video of any hill climb but provided you with an example of an area that has multiple hill climbs that are not ok.
As far as judging me based on a post, maybe you should check all my 910 posts at CJA to validate your opinion.
i too have my opinion regarding pics posted on a public forum and they do not in any way match CJA' s policy.
i run my own business and the last thing i ever want to do on a public forum is upset anyone so i can assure you that my post you quoted has no tone or intention of being condescending.
Thanks
Tom
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I also run my own business, and I would never ask someone if they "get it". That is just plain rude, whether written on a forum or spoken in conversation.
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I also run my own business, and I would never ask someone if they "get it". That is just plain rude, whether written on a forum or spoken in conversation.
My bad...i never even considered that angle. 'Gettin it' is a term used often for wheelers doing something tuff and succeeding although sometimes not making the obstacle. i was using the 'get it' to sum up how misinterpretations of wheelin can happen. No offense intended.
Tom
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My bad...i never even considered that angle. 'Gettin it' is a term used often for wheelers doing something tuff and succeeding although sometimes not making the obstacle. i was using the 'get it' to sum up how misinterpretations of wheelin can happen. No offense intended.
Tom
It's all good.
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I am a little sad the pit shot got scrubbed ... but I am over it now
so this thread helped me for one to understand policy and also how
to change it ... sounds democratic which is good ...
I want to share a little storey :
I worked with a nice guy some years ago who lived in wiaprious , he invited us out, when I showed up in my jeep a car passed on the way up his street/driveway an U-turned and followed us in and when I parked his neighbor leaned over the fence and asked if 'they were all right' , no shite ... our relationship turned into this nice guy telling me every other day to let everyone know they had hired a speedticket officer etc ... I was totally sterotyped ... this storey is 100% true ...
this is in some ways what the web policy is trying to combat ...
On the flip side, apologizing now if this seems sexist and probably not the best example , but its known at comedy clubs the men are asked if they goto see stripers ... about 5% ( probably single or soon to be ) say 'Yes' , now I am pretty sure 5% is a lie - the same question to women is like 80% as the whole house shakes ... there has to be a good percentage of those 95% men that said nothing and I am a little sad about that ... but over it ...
so, you gotta admire speaking up - thats what this thread shows me ...
the weekend run was awesome - I will wheel with anyone on that run anytime and we will ;)
hope you enjoyed the stories ... they solve nothing ... tread lightly but lets wheel !
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Love to see the passion,
I'm just gonna toss my 2 cents in here.
Going back to the hill climb. I'm not going to go back and see who wrote this, but they said, that at some point in time, there was only 1 way down. And then someone came along, and made a new way, and then a new way, and then a new way etc. etc.. Well if were going to get technical, then we should never get off the paved roads, because even the boring 2wd road, at some point wasn't a trail, and some one made a "new way". Sometimes you have to pick a new way. There's just no way around it. Some times a tree maybe in the way, or it flooded, or a cow is sleeping on the trail. There is no way around it, sometime you just have to go off the beaten path.
I hear a lot of bad publicity on the news about all the stuff that happens at mclean creek on long weekends. And yet I would never think that any of the people that I have met threw this website would participate is that poor sportsmanship.
I also hear a lot about how the CJA does what they can to promote good jeepin. And I think that's great. But strength comes in number's, and I think that the CJA should include non-members opinion on things. I don't like the idea of paying $50 bucks to state my opinion, and then have someone tell me, "sorry, that's the rule's, take it or leave it".
I think more needs to be done, to promote non-member to join. As far as i can see, membership, just gets you to post pictures, gets you a vote and the status. Not wroth the $50 bucks in my opinion. But please correct me if I'm wrong.
Just my 2 cent's
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Love to see the passion,
I'm just gonna toss my 2 cents in here.
Going back to the hill climb. I'm not going to go back and see who wrote this, but they said, that at some point in time, there was only 1 way down. And then someone came along, and made a new way, and then a new way, and then a new way etc. etc.. Well if were going to get technical, then we should never get off the paved roads, because even the boring 2wd road, at some point wasn't a trail, and some one made a "new way". Sometimes you have to pick a new way. There's just no way around it. Some times a tree maybe in the way, or it flooded, or a cow is sleeping on the trail. There is no way around it, sometime you just have to go off the beaten path.
It's not going off the beaten path, it is going off the official and legal trail, and the one time you "need" to do this might be where you get nailed and stereotyped.
I hear a lot of bad publicity on the news about all the stuff that happens at mclean creek on long weekends. And yet I would never think that any of the people that I have met threw this website would participate is that poor sportsmanship.
Here's some food for thought: a couple of years ago some guy were out at McLean, and they were approached by a couple of fine young ladies, asking if they could take their "big rigs" though the mud so they could get some "action shots". Being fine young hot blooded males, they of course agreed to help out these fairly attractive ladies get some action shots.
Guess what showed up in a newpaper Tuesday after that long weekend? Their mug shots in their rigs going through the mud, with a caption and article to the effect of how people with large rigs were tearing up the wilderness and ruining McLean.
Other than the action shots, these guys stated they were on the sanctioned trails the whole weekend, and this was the one time they got involved in going through any mud.
Long story short - the actions you perform are not always the actions that are perceived.
I also hear a lot about how the CJA does what they can to promote good jeepin. And I think that's great. But strength comes in number's, and I think that the CJA should include non-members opinion on things.
While the CJA does take into consideration (from my experience, anyway) the opinions on the board, it's not necessary that they include non-member's opinions. If you were on a baseball team, would you expect to listen to every piece of advice from the stands and act on it?
I don't like the idea of paying $50 bucks to state my opinion, and then have someone tell me, "sorry, that's the rule's, take it or leave it".
That's actually called life. Majority rules....$50 does not guarantee that the entire club will follow your wishes.
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You membership gives you more then a right to post pics and to vote on issues, it puts you on the inside of what is going on to keep places open. Your 50$ goes towards fighting the government to keep places open, remember they would rather just close everything and then they don't have to worry about it, maintaining the trails, who do you think is doing the work to maintain the trails, and now surveying and building new trails? There is a criteria that has to be met to open a trail. I invite everyone and urge you as jeepers to come to the next meeting and see what is covered and discussed.
If you think your 50$ is not worth it I don't want to hear anyone holding that opinion say a word if everything is closed. I have watched one province close most off-roading areas and like heck I am going to watch it happen again in this province. I am not going to go down without a fight.
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Lahal,
it was me that stated the hill scenario. To clarify, there is one up/down to the same destination. 4 more ups/downs are not needed as the main up/down has never been blocked, eroded, undoable,etc.
Joining the CJA also gets you in on CJA only runs. Most runs provide food and beverage. Exclusive camping in unknown areas. Runs on trails you may never knew existed, etc.
Tom :)
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A bit heated, but a good discussion.... bottom line is, some of us newbies need a bit more education, and I'm hoping that joining the CJA will help with that.
In addition, we are seeing ourselves demonized, because our activity is not mainstream, and due to general public perception. Golf, on the other hand, is far more harmful to the environment, and building a 18 hole gof course in Kananaskis has destroyed more habitat than Jeeping, yet golf courses are popping up everywhere.
Golf has a LOT of money behind it, and as we all know, money trumps everything in our society.
What can we do?
We need to work on changing the perception of off-roading. Again, I'll make the golf comparision. If you do stupid things on a golf course, you are kicked off the course. Do it enough times and you are not welcome back. It should be the same for off-roading. The rules need to be clarified, and that is where organizations like CJA, Tread Lightly, and others come in. I think that these rules should be on the front of any legitimate 4x4 site, and respect for the environment should be a part of any off-road organization's mission statement.
I believe the off-road license is a good start. A short course that everyone must take at a nominal fee. This will do 2 things.
1) It will edicate users of the trail on proper trail etiquette, and rules. No more excuses of "I didn't know"
2) it will reduce (but not eliminate) the yahoos that go out and tear up the area.
Maybe designated mud bogs should be signed as such?
Perhaps, there should be an upward limit of how heavy an off-road vehicle is allowed on a trail... this is controversial obviously... but I just don't think some trucks belong out there.
One of the biggest issues out there is enforcement. We need to self police, mainly because there are not enough officers. This is difficult to do, because while an organization like the CJA may be able to police/educate their own members and participants, it is far more difficult and dangerous to try and stop someone else from doing something they shouldn't.
This is where the use of camera's and video may come in. If we do see something that is not right, do we tape it, photograph it, get the license plate and report it? Logic will say yes. However, if this happens and violations go up, the government in their infinite wisdom could point to the increased number of ticketed violations as an excuse to close trails. This is a conundrum. This is where we need to start co-operating with the government, and have them realize the two classes of trail users.
Anyway, we all know the challenges, and these are challenges being faced by every off-road organization out there. We do need to wok together to keep trails open, and it will be an ongoing challenge.
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Very nicely worded Z............X2 :)
Oh...............and I have never played Golf !!
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X3 :)
or we can go 4x4ing on golf course :P
alright, i'm gonna get shite for that comment.
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im likin this discussion ;)
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I'd like it more if the CJA would do an online poll or survey to see what their regular viewing audience might find more lucrative to increasing the membership.
49 members out of over 1000 registered users is not very good odds in my books..........why is that ???
$50 bucks does not even buy a tank of gas these days...........so I don't think it's about the money.
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And yet out of all the clubs LEFT ;) in Alberta, CJA has the largest membership...(i think)?
Hmmmmm...
Rubi, what do you think is needed to increase membership? :)
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The 1000 Members of this site is misleading. Here's a few stats for you.
1070 Registered Members
490 haven't logged in since 01-Jun-2008
of those
221 haven't logged on since 01-Jan-2008
204 have a post count of 0
597 have a post count of less than 10
240 have a total time logged into the site of 0 mins (means they registered and never came back)
of the members who specified a location (431 total) approx 140+ are over 1 hour from Calgary.
If you think money isn't an issue for people... try selling something on this board thats worth more $20 for fair market value... you'll quickly find out how hard it is for people to part with their cash ;D :o ;D
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... we are seeing ourselves demonized, because our activity is not mainstream, and due to general public perception.
I dont think my friend in wiaprious and his neighbors cared if we ran trails out there , its just the trails brought us/them
thru the village and the perception is frankly "a pack of drunk speeding theives!" , probably from may long weekends long long ago ....
if they sod it with 18 holes and served spirits at the 19th hole till 2am that would probably be more acceptable cause golf doesnt
have the redneck sterotype associated with it ... ;)
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And yet out of all the clubs LEFT ;) in Alberta, CJA has the largest membership...(i think)?
Hmmmmm...
Rubi, what do you think is needed to increase membership? :)
Quality not Quanity
:D
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I'd like it more if the CJA would do an online poll or survey to see what their regular viewing audience might find more lucrative to increasing the membership.
49 members out of over 1000 registered users is not very good odds in my books..........why is that ???
$50 bucks does not even buy a tank of gas these days...........so I don't think it's about the money.
Great question Rubi, let's here if from all the non-members what changes/recommendation would make CJA a better club?
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Ok, first off, in the hill situation it looks like there are more than 1 way up. From the members that I have met already it seems to me like everyone is very involved and really do care about the sport.
I'm gonna be submitting my membership stuff at the September meeting, not only to get a few more goodies for a sport I really enjoy but also because CJA uses 1/2? or membership fees to help maintain the trails.
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I would really like to see more group activities. I would say that 90% of the people that I have gone out with, are not members. So I don't really have a mental picture of what you guys look like, or act like in real person. And we all know that people make a club, no matter what the club stands for, people make or break a club.
So in short, I'd just like to meet more members out on the trail. Show some of us newbies some tips and tricks.
My 2 cent's
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Which one were you on the weekend LAHAL? For some reason I think yours is the black JK (4 door). I was the red ZJ
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I was the naked 2 door
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The Black JK 4 door was Z
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I would really like to see more group activities. I would say that 90% of the people that I have gone out with, are not members. So I don't really have a mental picture of what you guys look like, or act like in real person. And we all know that people make a club, no matter what the club stands for, people make or break a club.
So in short, I'd just like to meet more members out on the trail. Show some of us newbies some tips and tricks.
My 2 cent's
Just go to a meeting is all you need to do... then you see everyone. Attend other club meetings, compare your findings... If you don't like what you see, don't go back. This is how it's always worked in my experience. Generally clubs wheel together without non-members because of liabilities and such...
..I think bottom line is newbie's don't know what to expect from a club and are a little shy of joining one.
I say to those, just muster the courage and attend a meeting... no one expects anything of you. 8)
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With our short summer season 75% or more of those who wheel will be out in these few months.
I would think campaigning for members would be at this peek time..........Possibly not just a monthly meeting, maybe 1 per week if it could be set up and organized with Vetran Members......and not just at the same place. How about Club organized membership drive/trail run.....morning meeting, possible BBQ break on the trail....little bit of 101 for newbies, etc...then a probationary Membership issued.
Go to a tiered membership.........from Newbies to Vetrans....with perks set up along the way.
Club stickers ??? 1 year member, 2 year member...displayed front and rear in designated spot.
Set it up like Scouts or something where you have to earn your status....ie, trail maintenance, clean up runs, membership drives...etc.
Just paying dues and showing up for a meeting here or there should not be the only onus put upon membership.............at least from my point of view.
If you want Membership to grow it will need to be addressed by those who are already there..........With Calgary's population and the amount of Jeeps I see every day, I don't think it would be hard to double the Membership Yearly. This in turn would give more Strength and Voice at AURS and GAMP inspired confontations or meetings........MAYBE ?????
ALSO.......A picture is worth a thousand words !!!
Jeepers like to see pics of JEEPS...in action, crawling, climbing,mudding.....whatever, it gets them excited and wanting to participate. ( Yeah !!!.....My Jeep can do that !!!)
Maybe a gallery section where pics can be submitted to mods or members for approval that non registered users can contribute to or view others.
I know all about the possiblities of these pics being used against us........couldn't there be discaimer or possibly some kind of photo infringement be set up ??
I have been on sites where you cannot right click or save pics from the screen.......( not sure how it's done ???...MODS ????)
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I agree with at - sounds interesting... (not sure why I'm commenting, I'm a Stampeder :D ) - but there is more to it than paying and your in... I do believe there is a Prospective Member probationary period... than a vote for decals. At least that's how the Stampeders work...
... I think the CJA was trying your suggestion with some Peter's meets, that were not meetings (officially) just meet and greets... which I like to attend...
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Well this is the events list for CJA
Jan. 01 (Tue) New Year's Day - Open, lead by TJ54 (Ian)
Feb. 09 (Sat) Cheese Slider - Members, lead by Swampsinger (Dom)
Feb. 17 (Sun) Hot Chocolate - Members, lead by ...
Mar. 16 (Sun) St. Paddy Day - Open, lead by ...
Mar. 20-23 Thursday PM - Sunday, Winter Camping - Members, lead by ...
April 19 (Sat) Chili Run - Members/Family, lead by RockyRD (Joel) [sponsored by cravings market restaurant]
May 03 (Sat) Presidents Assault on an open trail - Members, lead by Swampsinger (Dom)
May 11 (Sun) Mother's Day - Open/Family, lead by Spyder
May 16-19, Friday PM to Monday, CJA camping trip, Members, lead by 01sahara
June 14-15 (Sat/Sun) - Trail Inventory in the Ghost FLUZ
June 15 (Sun) Father's Day Run - Open/Family, lead by XJHERO (Nathan) Cancelled due to poor weather and trail conditions
June 21 (Sat) St. Jean Baptiste Run - Members, lead by...
July 01 (Tue) Canada Day - Members, lead by ...
July 12 (Sat) Show and Shine - Open Afterwards, lead by ...
July 24-25 (Sat-Sun) Bridge Building - trail project ...
Aug 01-04 (Fri-Mon) CJA Camping - Members, lead by ...
Aug 17 (Sun) Off-road 101- Open Jeeps Only, lead by Waytec (Aaron)
Aug 23-24 (Sat-Sun) Bridge Building - trail project ...
Aug 29-Sept. 1 (Fri-Mon) Labour Day Camp out - Members, lead by ...
Sept. 21 (Sun) Last Day of Summer - Members, lead by ...
Oct. 11 (Sat) Thanksgiving - Open, lead by ...
Oct. 25 (Sat) Night Run - Members, lead by ...
Nov. 08 (Sat) Rembrance Run - Open, lead by ...
Nov. 30 (Sun) Last Day at Maclean - Members, lead by ...
Dec. 12-14 (Fri-Sun) Winter Camp out - Members, lead by ...
Dec. 13 (Sat) Christmas Party - Members, lead by ...
Dec. 26 (Fri) Boxing Day - Open, lead by ...
Jan. 01 2009 (Thu) New Year's Day - Open, lead by ...
seems pretty decent...?
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Labour day camp out huh ??????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..................
Lead By ??????????? and members only.......do these events get updated and sent out to the members ???
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Traditionally it's been a members only run down south, but due to lack of interest, and the clubs busy schedule in August (the big Multi Club camping trip up north, Off-Road 101, members taking personal vacation, Trail projects, A.S.C., and Off-Road Expo). The Labour Day camping trip is Unofficially cancelled, unless one of the members are interested in organizing/leading.
-joel
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Kinda late for that one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Labour day camp out huh ??????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..................
Lead By ??????????? and members only.......do these events get updated and sent out to the members ???
Kinda late for that one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, lots of the members runs only get talked about in the members forum. The members have an agreement not to talk about trail locations outside of the Ghost FLUZ and McLean on the open forum. That was a decision discussed in the club and voted on at a meeting a few years ago. If you are planing on joining please let us know if you are ok with following that guideline. You have been wheeling for years so you probably know some of them and have wheeled on them. Lots of people in the OHV comunity know and utilize the areas we just don't want to promote them on the web site. Thease are all legal trails but we don't want it advertised where they are so they don't get over used. Lots of other clubs have similar policies.
The Labour Day trip is canceled as Joel indicated we have all been busy with other trips and projects in August.
We may have a club event on the 13-14 to work on the bridge in the Ghost FLUZ, its not a wheeling trip but lots of the members I hope will be out to help.
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There is a gallery of posted pics. Check the top bar
Unfortunately wheeling these days is not just about getting onto trails and trail projects are becoming a HUGE part of the sport. There have been LOTS of members VERY busy throughout the year with projects. That combined with everything else in their lives has not left much time for actual wheeling.
Also the CJA needs members that are willing to participate and get stuff done in terms of trail projects and other events, not just another warm body.
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01Sahara..........I'm cool with the Members rides and such, as was said earlier "Membership has it's priviledges"
I was not aware of the Members Forum.....good idea ! ;) I know all about the time frame thing.....work, wives, kids, cats, dogs....all the "Honey Do's"
Been there done that.......still doing it !!
I have seen the Gallery of photos.............rather uninspiring though if one was a Newbie excited about his/her new Jeep and wanting to explore it's capabilities...IMHO. Nothing against the pics personally.
Trail Projects.....Hmmmmmmmmm, maybe these could also be used for indoctrination into Membership by participation ???
Not sure about the whole process of obtaining....paperwork, vote, etc.
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01Sahara..........
I was not aware of the Members Forum.....good idea ! ;) I
Yes, most of the good stuff happend in the members part of the forum.
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I only just read this thread tonight, So my 2 cents.
Photos: The club voted on this a long time ago, I didn't agree then but I do now. The no photo rule is a good one. There is nothing to stop you having links to your own pic's somewhere on the internet, like I do. My webshots page, click the little icon on the left there and you will be taken to it. If you want to share trail pic's with your friends there are lots of options that are free.
CJA membership: There has never been any push to have a bigger club, 50 members is fine as is 20 or 70. The people in the club like it the way it is right now. That is the purpose of this club or any club, to reflect and support the opinions of the members. We listen to non members opinions and occasionally pay some attention to them. But at the end of the day, the members get to decide the rules. We have re-voted on some of the rules at the meetings, the rules don't change because the majority like the way it is now. We try to keep the club executive in motion, so we don't get stale and become like some clubs where the exec turns into a club within a club always dictating the way the club runs. I moved along (out of the exec)to allow someone with a fresh viewpoint to come in. We will have a new president and vp soon and I am sure some new faces in other positions on the exec.
Join the club, participate, step up and join the exec.
Non members have two options, this is going to sound kind of blunt,
1.join the club, participate in events, become a true part of this organization, try take the club in a different direction if you want, it has changed alot since I first joined,in a very positive way, it will continue changing for the better I hope
2. Go find a club that is more in tune with your opinions and attitudes. Or if you can't find one, start your own.
well that wasn't to blunt I guess, after I edited it ;)
I just get very annoyed when non-members think we should change the rules for them. I think this where the confusion comes in sometimes.
This forum is NOT the Calgary Jeep Association. (but the members do pay for it and maintain it)
The CJA is a group of people that meet at the austrian canadian club once a month, a group of people that help maintain and build a trail system in southern Alberta, A group of people that enjoy each others company while camping or spending time on the trails. This forum is just where we come to share ideas and knowledge and to arrange trips and events.
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AMEN
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Word brotha... it is what it is.
Well said Mr. TJ54!