Stupid snow/city.

[Sean778]

In my old F-150 (which was bagged when I got it), having the hubs locked, and the 4-Hi in the t-case not engaged, actually provided some rolling resistance, and made it easier for the rear end to slip out when I got on the gas at all.  I quickly learned that if the conditions justified having locked hubs, then the next step was to beat it into 4-HI.  I've also read that the added weight of 4x4 components (as compared to an equivalent 2wd vehicle) will increase your stopping distance.  It makes sense, but I have yet to see any hard data proving that inference.

That being said, I agree with dunl in that there is really no connection between the brakes and t-case.  Driver error, crappy tires/brakes, lousy roads, and the 14 beers the night before seem to have a much greater impact on how quickly people bring their junk to a stop.

[dunl]

Can someone explain to me how the brake system is connected to the transfer case?

Let's put it this way....can someone explain to me EXACTLY how putting your vehicle in 2wd NEGATIVELY affects the performance of your braking system?

Sorry...that's the silliest thing I have ever heard.  If anything, the force from the engine that is transferred to the front driveshaft keeps you from braking better....the brakes now have to deal wit rolling resistance, AND the force from the engine.

[Spinalguy]

wow. butthurt much?
Bullying? The world has become so PC. Good luck with the bully card. i thought my smiles were well placed.
i get yours, you are angry at my comments. VERY angry and butthurt.

Pat, here is a challenge to you.
Next time we dip below 25, come meet me at my office. You in 2wd and me in a BIG heavy Dodge in 4wd.
Follow me home. Than we can share our driving experience.

Pat, there isn't a post that comes up on this forum that you don't comment elaborately. 4 sale, wanted, tech, general, trips, etc.
That would make you a know it all. So, in a way you are forcing your opinions on others.

i stand by what i said. 4wd HI is to be used on any road surface that is wet or loose. We call it normal wear and tear.

[jenn1981]

I don't think anyone said that 2wd negatively effects your brake system.  Just that 4wd makes those icy/horrible stopping times a little more controlled.
Not that you stop faster just maybe a little less skidding/all over the road.

I kind of agree with Pat on 4wd when I need it, not all the time.   However, it is up to each of us to decide how we like to drive.  We are all grown ups and can decide for ourselves.  Its nice to get opinions from everyone, but they are just opinions and we have to take what we want out of them.

Happy Holidays folks Safe driving in 2 or 4

[Spinalguy]

jenn1981,
it is a choice :)i just wished more Calgarians choose 4wd

Merry Christmas

[jenn1981]

Regardless of 2 or 4wd there is sadly a large population of Calgarians who just can't drive.  It doesn't matter what they are driving they will still be bad.

The guy that rearended me was in 4wd, still put my tow hook through his rad.  Doesn't matter if you choose it, if your a horrible driver.

[dunl]

I don't think anyone said that 2wd negatively effects your brake system.  Just that 4wd makes those icy/horrible stopping times a little more controlled.
Not that you stop faster just maybe a little less skidding/all over the road.

I didn't say that anyone said that, but I can't see that it would help.  If the 4x4 system drives the four wheels, how can it help them brake at the same time?  It simply cannot, IMO, brake and make them go at the same time. They're completely independent, aren't they? 

[JackstandJohnny]

jenn1981,
it is a choice :)i just wished more Calgarians choose 4wd

Merry Christmas

truer words have never been spoken.  

personally i'm sick of being stuck behind someone who is struggling to drive a 4x4 in 2wd. it makes traffic go slow, they have less control and it makes your vehicle no more capable than that guy in a 2wd S10.  sell you 4x4 get a civic.
winter comes and i dont' even take my vehicles out of 4wd. ever.  never have, never will.  

Pat, please tell me how your mathematics equate to drive time; i'm listening.   can you explanation be applied to traffic in Calgary and be used to decrease winter drivetimes?
 cause i'm sick of watching 3 cars/trucks get through a damn interstection in one light, and watching my drive time more than triple.  however, me and my trusty jeep pin it off the line, fishtailing and pulling out of it up to cruising speed before the guy beside me even gets going.  why?  maybe its casue my 4x4 is engaged and i grew up driving in these conditions. doesn't matter though, cause i just come up to the next light where three people get through again.
 do i feel safe in 2wd. sure, i can 'get to work' spinning and fishtailing.  however  i've fishedtailed enough on the highway due to black ice and 50km/h side winds; 4wd magically eleviates that, cause the front axle pulls me out. frankly the decreased amount of slippage is negligable to me;  if i go through a transfer case every 15 years, i'm ok with that.

no matter your mathematical logics, i still think its stupid for anyone to be in 2wd with mud terrains in a snowstorm..............  why? because you squirt off all other drivers trying to prove you don't need to engage 4x4.  theres no road in the city right now that can't justify using 4x4.  the 'slippage' is negligable;

on a side note, saw a guy in an escalade get stuck the other day in a snowbank. being cocky, he puts it in 4wd to get out. still stuck.  i laughed. guess 80k still doesn't buy common sense.  i asked why he wasn't in 4x4 he said he 'didn't need it'  he was right  i said 'ok, YOU push, I"LL drive'  he didn't like that.

sorry rant over; i just know its going to take me an hour and a half to drive to work tomorrow, watching people in ill-equipped vehicles 'commute' to work.

[dunl]

on a side note, saw a guy in an escalade get stuck the other day in a snowbank. being cocky, he puts it in 4wd to get out. still stuck.  i laughed. guess 80k still doesn't buy common sense.  i asked why he wasn't in 4x4 he said he 'didn't need it'  

Guess if it was in 4wd he could've stopped better, eh? 

[JackstandJohnny]

Guess if it was in 4wd he could've stopped better, eh? 

well he parked in a snowbank;)  then tried to drive through it on my side street. haha

[Justink]

my personal preference for my Cherokee is 4x4 in the winter months.  I'd rather be able to get up some hills in rocky (main street) then sit there and spin holding people up.  IMO there is a time and place for 4 wheel and that is drivers discretion.  
Quote from tinkerer:
If you read, I have tried it in 4x4 high and I didn't like the reduced steering.

I haven't noticed a drastic difference in steering since i have an open front.  I do agree though that if both front tires are locked together steering is a PITA, and you are bound to wreck stuff.   (NP 242 part time  on pavement) etc
but thats just my 0.02 cents

[dunl]

well he parked in a snowbank;)  then tried to drive through it on my side street. haha

LMAO. 

[Hi Lo Silver]

jenn1981,
it is a choice :)i just wished more Calgarians choose 4wd

Merry Christmas

Are those the true Calgarians you speak of or the 80% of the population that have moved here for a better way of life and can't seem to handle our roads with snow and ice? Smilies in effect here, but man am I PO'd. hahahaha
Trails/hubs in... roads/hubs out. Sometimes but not always. Oh wait...it's my choice.

[Justink]

There's the rub, a part-time t-case has a differential between front and rear and I actually said that would perform better since it allows slip, but one that locks front and rear like the one in the Rubi has the issues I stated.

whoops misunderstood 
but i agree with what you were saying

[Spinalguy]

We can all agree its a choice. And its the internet, so all of this is opinions
i am quite sure that most people do not read my posts and believe it to be 100% true. i think the same could be said for ALL of us on the internet. We draw from the many opinions and either re formulate our own or disregard.

At all times i was talking about COLD days/nights where the 'bare looking' cement is still slick. Its so cold that sanding streets with SALT is a waste as the salt will not melt. Is that engineering? sorry, chemistry.
We also were talking about 4wd in HI, not anything to do with lockers. Plain and simple lockers on any surface other than OFFROAD is stupid, but still a choice (Right Gun? )
And 2wd refers to rear drive not FWD.

Pat the engineer,
 i am traveling down a road in a vehicle that has NO weight to the rear end (jeeps and pick up trucks) and i am in 2wd. i am on a surface that if i were in my board shoes, i could freely slide along this surface, are you telling me that 2wd will have better manners than 4wd on corners and bridges at higher speeds?
If i have 4wd, will i not have a greater contact of traction to this surface, than if i were in 2wd because my front and rear ends are holding me to this surface?

Remember, we are talking surfaces that will not harm your tcase/tranny/front axle, etc in any way because the surface does not have enough traction to cause damage. Obviuosly, we know the effects can be harmful driving on dry summer pavement. But, it still does no harm during major rainfalls...

PS, just so its not taken incorrectly. i said you post elaborately on every forum at CJA but i did not say the info you post is worthless.

Thanks