Thoughts on jk lift kits

[Bnine]

Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.

The facts, and they are facts were layed out to you clearly and professionally.

You  chose to play the ignorant arse and ignore facts put right in front of you face.

No one told you that you have to run 3 plus 1. Specially not me. I just informed you about how body lifts work.

And yes, now that you have been informed if you leave the body lift out of your build it makes you an idiot. Either because you are to stupid to understand common sense, or to pig headed to accept it.

The reason I recommended you off that long arm is because it's garbage and is designed for suckers in the net who don't understand suspension. You pay 4-5 thousand dollars to completely frack your front geometry, blow you ground clearance, and add yearly maintenance all in the name of looks and a smoother ride over potholes. Which can easily be accomplished with the right height short or mid arm, good spring selection and proper shock valving.

My membership fees do not cover mandatory explanations to you fuckers about what you should or shouldn't do. So if you can't figure out what I'm getting at, that's your problem. Your still getting free advice from a specialist that's built suspension for 10 years. You can take and build yourself a better and save yourself some money in the process, or you can ignore and build a 15 thousand dollar peice crap.

I could care less what you do. Like I said already. Water meet skippy. Drink it or choke on it. I don't care.

[Kanueh]

It's just like a bunch of guys to argue over 1 inch! LOL


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[binare]

Lol, Bill... You can have your title back now

[Spinalguy]

My first TJ, i went with skyjacker coils and shocks, 4 inches. i added 2 inch bodylift. i used Teraflex lower control arms and stock uppers. i ran 33`s in various brands. That jeep was open difs and i wheeld the snot out of it. It had insane flex. i only ever had to replace the stock uppers once. i also replaced shocks once.
i also drove it pulling a small tralier to Tellico from Toronto via NYC and DC, about 2300kms. Straight shot back 1800kms. Good onroad and offroad.
Here it is on TSL`s 33x15,50



Next i got a Rubicon. i went with RELA 5.5 and 1.25bl and 1" mm. i had bilstein 5100's in it. i ran 37 MTR's. i drove it towing same trailer to Moab from Calgary (1800kms one way). i did EVERY tuff trail. i drove it home. i did destroy the raer driveshaft and joints. It let go in Moab when i arrived. But, drove it home. It performed well. However, my only complaint was the unloading of the front end. IF i had used a small winch to hold it down like a limiting strap, it would have been a little less white knuckly at times. i never went over backwards though.
Here is a pic from the same spot as the TJ above on 33's.



i did have Chromollys front and rear but i still snapped the axleshaft. i went to CTM ujoints after that and never broke again.


If you want to see how it did in Moab, here is a link (all the sub albums are on the right side)
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/

[Skippy]

Well what he got across was far different then what you just said, and what you just said is far different then reality.

You asked for advice, you got damn good advice. Don't take the advice of those who have gone through what you are, spent a crap ton money only to redo it, I could care less at this point. Your not breaking new ground, your question is nothing that hasn't been answered a million times before. What is ground breaking is ignoring what the sound advice your given, especially by those who know more I'd bet then the shop your about to blow 10 grand at, myself NOT included. Other then that Im just gonna sit back and shake my head at how utterly ridiculous it is to not take advice because "body lifts are gay".

Take how butt hurt you are now, and times it by 10 when you realize how much money you've waisted, again... I could care less.

I've changed my advice.

1. Go buy the $10,000 lift.

2. Get that sweet poser shot all flexed out on a big arse rock, snap quick before she rolls over.

3. After floppin it, come back here and ask these guys how you shoulda done it.

Was that rude? Yup. Do I care? No. Afterall nobody could possibly know a thing about Jeeps and lifts on this site. I know absolutely crap compared these guys, but I can tell you one thing, a body lift is about the best 100 bucks you could spend on your shiny new toy. Other then a tapout sticker of course.

Lol my favorite part about this is how you two think everyone else are idiots and how worked up you got over a body lift. It's really a sad day for the 4wheeling community and jeep owners when the people who are offering advise have their heads so far up their own a**'s they haven't seen the light of day or years. Ironically enough the funny thing is the guy you just banned is the one guy who's gonna come to rescue you when you roll your jeeps on yourselfs out at McLean or the mall.

[specialk]

OK Skippy...  You have gotten the advise of one the most experienced builders in ANY 4x4 community.   If you are (were) smart, you could listen and take some said advice.   If you don't, then STFU and let it go...  don't like it?   Go ask the opinions elsewhere and don't let the door hit you on the way out.   

As for BucketBoy...  I don't a flying **** if he is willing to come out and help anyone. There are 100+ more reasonable, non-idiots that will help out too...  no one is asking for his help or his comments.

Cheers

[Skippy]

My first TJ, i went with skyjacker coils and shocks, 4 inches. i added 2 inch bodylift. i used Teraflex lower control arms and stock uppers. i ran 33`s in various brands. That jeep was open difs and i wheeld the snot out of it. It had insane flex. i only ever had to replace the stock uppers once. i also replaced shocks once.
i also drove it pulling a small tralier to Tellico from Toronto via NYC and DC, about 2300kms. Straight shot back 1800kms. Good onroad and offroad.
Here it is on TSL`s 33x15,50



Next i got a Rubicon. i went with RELA 5.5 and 1.25bl and 1" mm. i had bilstein 5100's in it. i ran 37 MTR's. i drove it towing same trailer to Moab from Calgary (1800kms one way). i did EVERY tuff trail. i drove it home. i did destroy the raer driveshaft and joints. It let go in Moab when i arrived. But, drove it home. It performed well. However, my only complaint was the unloading of the front end. IF i had used a small winch to hold it down like a limiting strap, it would have been a little less white knuckly at times. i never went over backwards though.
Here is a pic from the same spot as the TJ above on 33's.



i did have Chromollys front and rear but i still snapped the axleshaft. i went to CTM ujoints after that and never broke again.


If you want to see how it did in Moab, here is a link (all the sub albums are on the right side)
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Spinalguy/Moab%202004/

Nice rig!

[binare]

Nice rig!

I thought body lifts were gayer then aids? Oh wait... You just looked at the pictures didn't ya. BONUS: if you read the words, you'll notice there's actually TWO nice rigs.

[raf2379]

even my xj has a body lift, 1" infact. Bill knows his stuff, he has built plenty of rigs and has good sugestions on what works and what does not and what to stay away from.

[Mud]

I am pleased with my 5.5 inch mid-arm from rock krawler.  Great road manners and you get great off-road articulation. By my own admission, 5.5 is excessive, but I like it!

[AstraX]

Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.

This made me chuckle.  I do enjoy your posts Bill.

Skippy,  I don't know bnine, not sure I have met him in person, but I do know from reading his posts and the number of people on here that's ask for his advice that he knows a thing or two about Jeeps.  I would seriously consider what advice he has to give.  On another note I would be seriously concerned about taking my Jeep to a place that is willing to take $10k for a suspension setup...sound like crooks that take advantage of people that like to flail their money around.

For me, I haven't decided on 37's or 35's yet, but I don't plan on spending more than a couple thousand to accomplish a setup that will work well.

[frenchy]

One of my all time favorite jeeps has a body lift and it's a proven winner!
Other than my jeep of course... 

[BUKI]

Don't be such a pussy. You are on a jeep board amongst a 4x4 enthusiast crowd. If you want something more gentle take up knitting.

New sig...
I seriously laughed so hard it hurt

It's just like a bunch of guys to argue over 1 inch! LOL
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and the runner up
NICE

[Skippy]

New sig...
I seriously laughed so hard it hurt

and the runner up
NICE

:-)

[Bnine]

One of my all time favorite jeeps has a body lift and it's a proven winner!
Other than my jeep of course... 

26" inch mid arms all the way around and Johnny joints for the win.

Blaine is setting up another unlimited now that will not be pro stock spec, but will be similar to the Savvy rig. Basically it will match the one above but be on 37's and have all the work done that you arent allowed in the pro stock class. Frame mods, highline, 609's, stuffed feul tank, etc etc.