I did read the comments. It just looked like it was a bit of a gong show.
That's good the instructors were there for you... again, was just going off the comments about how bad (now known to be only 2) wheels were banged up. Although when talking about frame and drivetrain damage, that doesn't sound minor to me. And the guy who was talking about both bumpers, headlights, and all the other stuff he listed... sounds like either the spotter wasn't paying attention or he wasn't listening... I guess to be expected if you had to take a different route that wasn't stocker friendly.
I was almost ready to retract my statement, but then I saw "The problem on Saturday was the easy course they had planned was completely washed out. Then they took a route that was new to them and we got a bit lost." I'll keep my comments closed on that one. (Was anyone given the option to redo the 101 at a later date due to the change in trail and conditions?)
As for not knowing the facts before I post, I am glad you set something to shine a positive light here in regards to the instruction.
Insurance - yes, if you roll off a cliff... from driving on a highway. Offroading is different. I suggest you look deeper into your insurance. (Just like the people in Vancouver - damages caused by riots were not covered in their insurance. They are covered for vandalism but not for riot damage)
Hmmmm
First off, your facts are wrong......at least in my case. Collision insurance covers my vehicle for at fault (mine or the driver of mine) for damages caused by collision. It matters not were it is. Now breakage is another thing entirely. Here are a couple of examples
Driving down the trail I tear off my rear fender and bumper hitting a tree (collision with tree) - covered
Climbing a rock face I snap an axle shaft no collision therefore breakage - not covered
Doing a decent I misjudge a corner and end up rolling the jeep (side, roof, etc colliding with ground) - covered
Winching myself out of a mudhole I fry my battery, winch, whatever therefore breakage - not covered.
Now maybe your insurance is different maybe other peoples is as well, but to suggest that people are not covered just based on your opinion is just as bad as me saying you are based on my opinion. I know my insurance, I know what I pay for and I know what my policy says and I know what I am covered for. Whether or not I want to make a claim is a whole other matter, as in many cases you assess the cost, factor in the impact over the long term on your rates and make a decision.
I would suggest that anyone and everyone make sure you know what your own policy covers and doesn't...........don't trust the opinions of people on the internet on matters like this, being well informed and educated with regard to your own insurance is smart in my opinion.
As for the rest of the comments.......wow. You take a few posts here and there and make a grand judgement on the people that were out there yet you were not there.
I can't tell you about Saturday as I wasn't there. But I could tell you about many many other days..........
Like the day I dropped a ujoint in my front shaft and stretched the yoke out of shape and the guys I was wheeling with welded it back together on the trail and got me out safe and sound.
Or how about the day I spent in my garage with someone I had hardly met, installing all new brake lines for and with him.
Or how about the time one of guys here left Waiperous, drove back to Cochrane picked up his car trailer and drove back to Waiperous to load up a fellow Jeepers rig then take it back to his house
Or how about the time that 2 members here took the better part of an evening to help me trouble shoot some electrical problem I was having with some wiring harnesses
Or how about the time that another member here offered up some "spare" lights that ended up getting busted on the trail on a retrieval attempt.
Or how about the time that a member here, posted up he had found a M101 trailer for sale............in Winnipeg and offered to go barter with the seller, load it up and trek it back to Calgary without any cost to the member buying it.
How about the member that has offered to me and countless others building up there rigs to come out to his place and he will gladly sit and talk to you about some of the things that you might want to think of when building up your rig.
Those are just some of the highlights in the last 6 months that I have seen (and I could go on and on and on) but for purposes of brevity I will stop there. Maybe I am just lucky and all of my experiences have been positive ones, somehow I doubt that is the case but I wasn't there so I couldn't say for sure.
In the end you are responsible for your own crap, wheeling is not without its risks. Damage can occur on even the easiest of trails at any time. If you aren't willing to accept that, you shouldn't be taking your vehicle into a situation where that likelihood is significantly increased. Now don't get me wrong, I feel for anyone that has had damage on the trail but that is the risk. That is what happens, I have busted a fender, broke an axle, twisted swaybar links into pretzels, chipped rims, bent mounts etc......and I don't blame anyone but myself. It is the risk I take to enjoy what I do, some people either don't have the capacity or the desire to take that risk........that is their choice, but to suggest that damage to someones rig is anything other than the responsibility of the owner doesn't seem right to me.
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